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Replying to: seniorjose (Aug 16, 2006 11:08 am) Facts that you either will not or cannot address are things such as: Reduced mileage in using E-85 makes it far more expensive to use than regular gas. The very nature of E-85 means that it cannot be transported through regular pipelines and therefor has to be trucked in. We cannot produce enough ethanol right now to support E-10 let alone large quantities of E-85. We who question ethanol have looked into this and see that it simply isn't feesable. right now. Let me ask you this, how is it anti American to say that my tax dollars shouldn't subsidize ethanol production that makes ADM exec's rich? How is it anti American to say "hey this doesn't work, lets find something that does work"? nobody in Europe really wants a lousy diesel. Well they must want good diesels since they do sell a lot of them over there. they NEVER contribute anything positive to the United States And what have you done to contribute anything positive? And no bashing those who disagree with you doesn't count. Nor does promoting ethanol because it doesn't count (since your posts are full of outright lies and hatred (look at your post I am responding to). |
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Replying to: seniorjose (Aug 16, 2006 11:14 am) What lie was in that post? Seems to me like everything he said was either factual or just his opinion. |
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Illinois Senator Barack Obama warns citizens at his 50th Town Hall meeting about gas guzzling, WPSD-TV reports. It was among many points made to the standing room only audience at the Metropolis Community Center. Obama spoke on everything from DC politics to global warming. He says part of the blame for the world's higher temperatures rests on gas guzzling vehicles. Obama says consumers can make the difference by switching to higher mileage hybrids. Today the Senator said, "It would save more energy, do more for the environment and create better world security than all the drilling we could do in Alaska." "After the meeting... Obama left in a GMC Envoy after admitting to favoring SUV's himself," claimed local News Channel 6. Tommy Vietor, Senator Obama's press secretary, explains: "What Senator Obama has long advocated is the use of vehicles that are more fuel efficient, including but not exclusively hybrids. "The vehicle senator obama travels in while in illinois is a Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV), which can run on e85, a blended fuel made of 85 percent ethanol. "So he in fact was practicing what he preached at the town hall meeting in Metropolis yesterday when he said we must drive fewer gas-guzzling vehicles." But it does not appear that GMC's Envoy is E85 ready. According to the EPA no GMC Envoy FFV exists. Maybe his aids told him a lie about ethanol. hmmmmm Just one of many lies the government would have us believe about ETHANOL!!!
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 16, 2006 12:24 pm) (nor are any of us, but not all of us claim to be pure as the driven snow) who cares what vehicle Obama drives? I think it's funny that people criticize a guy for not practicing what he preaches more than they criticize a guy who doesn't preach, at all, but practices the same wasteful ways at least Obama is spreading the good word which is more than I can say for most SUV drivers I, for one, don't require the messenger to be consistent with the message. The message matters more to me than the messenger. Let me give a simple example: If a guy says "Killing is bad" then that guy goes and kills people does that mean that YOU no longer believe the message "Killing is bad"??? To convince 200 million to conserve gasoline it might take a guy getting on airplanes, etc. etc. That doesn't mean we shouldn't conserve gas, does it?
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Replying to: alp8 (Aug 17, 2006 3:41 pm) because he is an elected official who is telling us we need to do one thing but does something else. You know do as I say not as I do. What happened to leadership by example? I think it's funny that people criticize a guy for not practicing what he preaches more than they criticize a guy who doesn't preach, at all, but practices the same wasteful ways I don't think so, the one who doesn't practice what he preaches is a hypocrite, the one who doesn't preach at all but is still as wasteful isn't a hypocrite. In other words, I don't mind you driving around in a 9 MPG SUV, but I do mind you driving a 9 MPG SUV while saying everyone else should be driving high mileage economy cars to save gas. I, for one, don't require the messenger to be consistent with the message. I do require it, for if the messenger doesn't believe in his own message why should I? Its like if we had this conversation: Me: Oh you just have to have this dish it is the best thing you will ever eat. You: Well why aren't you eating it? Me: Oh I wouldn't feed that crap to my dog. Would you eat what I was saying you should get? If you say yes please contact me as I have this wonderful deal for you. |
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Let's drop the personal comments NOW. I've removed a couple of posts that made comments about other users. Back to the topic please. If you feel thatyou need to include a dig at another user in your post, please don't. |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Aug 17, 2006 5:16 pm) But I live my life based on FACTS, not parables. I can make up my own mind based on facts. It's a shame most people don't have that ability and have to live their lives through little sayings.
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