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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 18, 2006 4:43 pm) It's only a webpage with a summary. Where's the detail? Data is lots of numbers, not just one. By the way, it's 4.7 MPG lower than the average of the 692 Prius listed on the GH database. So even the summary alone makes diesel look bad. What's your point... especially since it isn't even the vehicle I asked about in the first place. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Jun 18, 2006 5:49 pm) My point is, that over 204,000 miles he averaged 43 MPG. I don't see anyone at even a 100k miles reporting their accumulated mileage for either Prius on GH. There are a few at 50K or there abouts. I want to know how the car runs and what repairs have been done to it after it reaches 10 years or 200k miles. Is that too much to ask. I believe you are being picky for no reason. There is a TDI website that has far more information. It is not permissible to link it. There are hundreds of VW TDI owners just as enthusiastic about their cars as you are about yours. The big difference is I don't see the hybrid hatred on that site that the hybrid sites show toward diesel cars. Both technologies are saving fossil fuel. Why the animosity? Just like many people here would never own a VW, there are many that would never own a Toyota. That does not mean that either is inferior to the other. Of course E85 is yet to be proven of any value. No absolute proof that it produces more energy than it takes to grow & produce.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 18, 2006 6:26 pm) Because diesel only addresses one problem. It is an imcomplete solution. The other goal is to reduce smog-related emissions. Not only doesn't diesel do that, it actually makes them worse. Even oridinary gas vehicles are cleaner. Using ethanol makes them better. Combine that with hybrid technology, you have a real winner. With 60,000,000 new vehicles on the road worldwide each year, allowing dirtier emissions just plain does not make any sense. As for saving fuel, why are you still in denial that the next generation of hybrid will be even more efficient? JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Jun 18, 2006 7:52 pm) At what cost? Each hybrid Toyota has brought out is more expensive. That is not practical for wealthy Americans let alone poorer countries. So far hybrids have done little to save on fuel. The Prius does well on fuel savings, yet it is still far from a proven long lived technology. Not everyone can justify a new vehicle every few years. I seriously doubt with the problems that have cropped up with the hybrids that any of them will be with us as long as the last generation of Camry. As my earlier post shows the VW TDI is a long lived fuel miser. When ULSD is common they will be cleaner in many ways than gas cars. That is where I see denial on your part. There is no way you can get more energy out of a gallon of gas than a gallon of diesel. And we all know that ethanol is of little use other than an oxygenate. And the benefits of that are questionable.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 18, 2006 8:59 pm) Priuses command a high price because they are being marketed to innovators interested in technology and to those with an environmental orientation, not to price-conscious shoppers. Current inventories are low enough that they basically are pre-sold or sell with a few days or arrival, without discounting. They will be marketed later to price-oriented pragmatists as the technology matures and production increases to stabilized levels. There's no reason to do that now, as it would actually devalue it in the eyes of the marketplace. The Prius does well on fuel savings, yet it is still far from a proven long lived technology. The Prius is more reliable than a Jetta. As much as I like VW's as a driver's car, Toyota reliability beats VW hands down.
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Replying to: socala4 (Jun 18, 2006 9:08 pm) How many serious problems has the Jetta TDI had compared to the Prius both generations? I'll give you a hint the Prius II is on it's second recall as we post. Maybe you should back up your statements with more than CR propaganda. Just because Toyota has a good reputation for reliability does not make all Toyota cars reliable. The current recall is for 170,000 Prius for possible steering failure. None here but a few in Japan. And have you forgotten all the stalled Prius on the highways that required a NHTSA investigation to get Toyota off the dime. I follow the VW TDI threads and the biggest problems I see there are fuel related issues and electric window failures. Hardly as significant as the Prius problems.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 18, 2006 9:24 pm) You don't really want to recycle that unproven canard, do you? We've gone over these allegations elsewhere on this site, and none of you have ever backed it up with any data. If you're going to make the claim, you need to back it up.
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Replying to: socala4 (Jun 18, 2006 9:27 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 18, 2006 9:31 pm) Vehicle: 2005 Volkswagen Jetta Defect Description: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, THE HIGH PRESSURE DIESEL PUMPS WERE PRODUCED WITH AN IMPROPER FASTENER, WHICH COULD ALLOW DIESEL FUEL TO ESCAPE FROM THE PUMP. Consequence of Defect: DIESEL FUEL IN THE PRESENCE OF AN IGNITION SOURCE MAY LEAD TO A FIRE. Corrective Action: DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE DIESEL PUMP. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING FEBRUARY 2005. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT VOLKSWAGEN AT 1-800-822-2834. Again, you can't just look at the problems and issues of the things that you don't like. You also have to compare directly to the stuff that you do like. |
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