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Automotive News & Views Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?
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Replying to: nippononly (May 19, 2009 5:41 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 19, 2009 6:16 pm) I'd like to know if they closed some of the loopholes that allow things that are clearly passenger cars to be counted as trucks.
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Replying to: fezo (May 19, 2009 6:20 pm) |
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the major GM fan site. The world just ended. This is not a joke...in the same forum on the same subject....the Communists, the Socialists and the Facists have taken over the auto industry. Our world as we know it is at an end. The net effect is this....and it is pretty significant.. Auto's must get 42 mpg on average under CAFE meaning that they must have a combined EPA rating of about 33 mpg. Trucks must get 26 mpg on average under CAFE meaning that they must have a combined EPA rating of about 21 mpg. Source:New FE regs Yesterday, we heard that, much to the automakers' delight, the new CAFE standards create a national standard and incorporate California's strict emissions rules to raise the national fleet mpg average to 42 mpg for cars and 26 mpg for light trucks for an overall average of 35.5 mpg by 2016. Current CAFE standards require an automaker's fleet of cars to average 27.5 mpg and trucks must get 24 mpg. Right now the only vehicles meeting these statndards are ..the small economy cars ..the compacts ..the hybrids .......Fusion, Camry, Altima, Prius, Civic, Insight II ..the crossovers and minivans ..the hybrid BOF SUVs ..GM's hybrid trucks That's it. All the full sized trucks, all the midsized trucks, all the non-hybrid BOF SUVs, all the large cars and and all the luxury non-hybrid autos miss the boat. They have one model life to improve. This includes all V8 vehicles and most V6 autos. As an indication of some high volume vehicles that must move in a hurry.... All non-hybrid Camrys, Accords, Malibus, Fusions, Sonatas are nowhere near the new standards. I think what we will see in 2015 is an entirely new spectrum of vehicles from all makers.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 19, 2009 9:52 pm) UPDATE: The Obama Administration contacted us to tell us the originally reported numbers of 42 MPG for cars and 27 MPG for light trucks were wrong. Instead, they're requiring an average of 39 MPG for trucks and 30 MPG for trucks. We've made the proper adjustments but even with these different numbers no one meets either requirement. |
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Yes, the revised standard of 30 for trucks seems a significant change. 26 mpg was a much easier standard, creating in effect a loophole. The loophole gets smaller at 30 mpg. But remember, that 30 mpg is under the inflated and easy testing standard of the 1970s. I think the equivalent number today is a EPA combined city/hwy score of 22. A 4 cylinder Ranger beats that by getting 23, which would equal 31 for CAFE. But a full size V-8 F-150 gets only 17 in the new test, which would probably be about 23 for CAFE. My current Accord 4 cylinder 5 MT has a combined epa city/hwy score of 25, which equals about 34 under the 70s test used for CAFE. As a comparison a Civic manual gets 29 under the current standard, which should about hit the 39 needed for CAFE. I wonder how close the Accord will come in the next generation, due out c.2013? |
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Can you give a link to that GM site?
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"For BMW AG, the German maker of high-powered luxury cars, meeting the target "will be a big challenge," particularly if the U.S. doesn't offer more incentives to encourage consumers to buy diesel vehicles, said Friedrich Eichiner, BMW's chief financial officer. "Consumers don't want to step back" and drive smaller vehicles, he said. The new rules allow for slightly different targets, depending on each vehicle's size and the mix of cars and trucks each company offers -- a measure of flexibility auto makers hailed. The different targets mean companies that produce many fuel-efficient vehicles like small cars will have to aim higher than others that sell lots of trucks and SUVs. For example, Honda Motor Co. estimates that based on its current vehicles sold in the U.S. it will have to hit fuel economy two miles per gallon above the new average." |
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needs to bring back the 2002. If it really was about the size of the original 2002 in terms of its body and its engine, but with a modern valvetronic 4 cylinder engine, it should hit the standard easily. I can't really figure out how they would sell a 5 series V-8, however....A 6 cylinder 5 series that was a hybrid could probably get close. For BMW and others it looks like more of their cars will become hybrids....
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Replying to: benjaminh (May 20, 2009 3:01 am)
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