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Automotive News & Views Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 10, 2009 7:48 am) We know, you believe whatever the government tells you. Not all of US are as gullible. If any of it was true. What did CAFE do from 1986 till 2007 besides collect their fat pay checks, while eating dunkin donuts and swilling Starbucks?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 08, 2009 1:38 pm) Measure most of those cars today. I learned to drive a stick in my cousin's 1981 Accord. That same physical car today in Honda's lineup? The Fit. The Accord has grown to the same class (full-size) as the Crown Victoria. The Civic and Corolla are much bigger than their namesakes of 30 years ago. Honda, Toyota, and later Hyundai didn't make money by simply selling efficient cars... they made money by selling inexpensive-to-build cars. Your choices were limited to color, trim level, and some option packages. At the same time, GM had badge-engineered the J-car to all 5 divisions and you could still custom-order one almost any way you wanted. The Americans finally caught up to that build practice and now make money on their cars too. Ford clears $15,000 on every Lincoln Navigator they can sell without an incentive. That's why they still make them. The money is in vehicles that are cheap to build, not necessarily fuel efficient. kcram - Pickups/Wagons Host |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 10, 2009 3:46 pm) Your blindness and anger keep you from seeing the good in life. This is something that really works and really does save us Billions of dollars every year.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 10, 2009 9:57 pm) I guess we just disagree. What I see is a country that went from prosperity in 2006 to total disarray in 2 years of Democrat control of Congress. They control CAFE. To stick your head in the sand and say that their are no people involved in the CAFE regulations and enforcement is being blind. The gains if any do not outweigh the cost to the economy. Those that cannot see your agenda of wanting to destroy the domestics for your own personal gain are also blind. Everyone has an agenda. Yours is selling more Toyotas. No matter what the cost to the Nation. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 11, 2009 6:58 am) I've shown you the numbers on how much money has been saved every year. I've also looked up the budget of the DOT for Bush's last year, remember this is a rule that has Executive Branch oversight. It appears that there is NO money anywhere in the DOT budget for CAFE unless it's buried somewhere in an obscure line item. If it is then it's miniscule. It's no where near the money being saved every year by us the driving public. The extention of CAFE to 35 mpg is a Bush proposal ( Republican ), not a Congressional initiative. Since you came late to this discussion which actually began two years ago I don't know if you were aware of WHY Pres. Bush pushed to extend CAFE. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 11, 2009 6:58 am) We're paying for it now and we will be long after you and I are pushing up daisies.
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 11, 2009 11:16 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 11, 2009 11:40 am) Just like CAFE - when gas prices are low, the constituency to raise the fleet mpg fades. Then $4 a gallon gas comes along and people scramble to get Geo Metros back on the road and they yell at Detroit and DC. |
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The PT Cruiser is a front-wheel drive 5-passenger vehicle, classified as a truck in the U.S. by the NHTSA for CAFE fuel economy calculations but as a car by most other metrics. Chrysler specifically designed the PT Cruiser to fit the NHTSA criteria for a light truck in order to bring the average fuel efficiency of the company's light truck fleet into compliance with CAFE standards Which proves my point that CAFE is a joke and a waste of tax dollars.
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 13, 2009 7:22 am) So not only did it NOT cost the taxpayers money, the CAFE office had nothing to do with the design and sales and marketing of the PT Cruiser. So it couldn't have 'cost' us anything. It was a brilliant vehicle for a short time that made Chrysler huge profits. Who cares what classification it fell under, it made money. That's innovative thinking that has been sorely lacking these last several years. Your objections to everything are getting thinner and thinner and thinner. Now the PT Cruiser somehow cost the US taxpayers money? Seriously now don't you find it hard to stretch logic this far? Was this Obama's fault too?....( chuckle, chuckle ). |
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