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Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?

507 messages,  Last post on Oct 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM

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Re: chart for the above story [gagrice] by nippononly
Apr 02, 2009 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 02, 2009 6:29 am)

I don't believe they are misguided overall. But CAFE is a very poor tool for accomplishing their goals. Where you and I part ways is in disagreeing that the U.S. needs to reduce or entirely stop its oil importation without sacrificing environmental standards to get there.
 
I am more for an increased gas tax, which allows the consumer maximum discretion both over vehicle purchases and the amount of driving they do, than I am for a bigger better CAFE.
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nippononly... by iluvmysephia1
Apr 02, 2009 (8:20 am)
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don't you think that this is a horrible time to increase gasoline taxes? I mean, my wife and I are certainly in a position to pay a higher percentage, but a lot of Americans are not. I would think that this will further break people's financial spirits to up Federal fuel taxes.
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Re: CAFE is back in the news [steve_] by kdhspyder
Apr 02, 2009 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 01, 2009 6:28 pm)

Rather than repost I'll just refer to my two comments at the end of that article.
 
Mountains and Molehills.
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Re: nippononly... [iluvmysephia1] by nippononly
Apr 02, 2009 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 02, 2009 8:20 am)

Well I was speaking in general, but implementing the tax should probably wait until the unemployment drops back to a more normal level. We could be talking 12 months there, hopefully less.
 
Certainly the unemployment rate is the only factor that should be taken into account in terms of the timing of the gas tax. It should start out with a modest bump, with regular, small but frequent increases. If we set $4 gas as our target price floor, we have already shown (last summer) that it will be enough to begin to get people to conserve, and also to make changes in their vehicle buying habits. Then automakers can quit crying foul, they can make what they like and see what people will buy.
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Re: chart for the above story [nippononly] by kdhspyder
Apr 02, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2009 7:27 am)

For you and I and larsb and many others already driving very efficient vehicles such a gas tax is an additional tax burden that I am absolutely against. I already cut my fuel usage by 35% back in 2005 ( 4cyl Camry to Prius ). A gas tax just takes more money from my pocket with nothing gained in return.
 
I have no further choices except to drive fewer miles, change jobs, move domicile, etc.
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Well... by iluvmysephia1
Apr 02, 2009 (9:03 am)
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I am not totally against raising gas taxes, I just think that if they do it now there will be mayhem in the streets. I am researching all-electric powertrains cars constantly now, planning to jump off the ghastly bandwagon as soon as the purchasing time is right. That could be years and years and years, but I am looking for that time to come. Excited about it, actually.
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CAFE GO AWAY! by carfanforever
Apr 02, 2009 (1:06 pm)
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I certainly think so!
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Re: CAFE GO AWAY! [carfanforever] by kdhspyder
Apr 02, 2009 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: carfanforever (Apr 02, 2009 1:06 pm)

Other than a D3 kneejerk reaction, Why exactly?
 
Ove the 30 yrs that the current system has been in place it hasn't stopped the vehicle makers from making SUVs for those than want them, trucks for those that want them, midsizers for the bulk of the population and small cars and hybrids for those that want them. In addition it has saved billions of gallons of fuel and it's kept upwards of $25 to $50 Billion in our pockets that hasn't gone to oil companies and Saudi princes.
 
So where is the 'bad'.
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Re: CAFE GO AWAY! [kdhspyder] by carfanforever
Apr 02, 2009 (4:05 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 02, 2009 1:51 pm)

I will be more than happy to explain why.
 
Becuase look at what this latest revamping of CAFE has done to the product plans of the D3. It has for all intents and purposes decimated GMs plans for Zeta, it's Trucks, and it's Muscle/Sports car program. Like it or not, those are the vehicles they know how to do best, and that earn the company positive buzz among car buyers, something GM could use every ounce of. It also has hurt Ford vis-a-vis their global RWD program, but since Ford is a little better at making smaller vehicles than GM (But still not as good as the Euros and Japanese) they were hit less hard by it. I think this was the plan all along, and that the haters of big V8 vehicles in Washington just bided their time to put something like this into action.
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Re: chart for the above story [nippononly] by kcram HOST
Apr 02, 2009 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 01, 2009 8:20 pm)

Beyond being surprised that Tata appears on the lists even though they do not (yet) sell any vehicles in America that I am aware of,
 
Your memory has failed you... for shame
 
Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover, thus their inclusion on the list as the "manufacturer" (or, the parent firm).
 
kcram - Pickups/Wagons Host

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