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Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?

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CAFE is back in the news by steve_ HOST
Apr 01, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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California Will Require Vehicle Service Providers To Check Tire Pressure
 
Ok, don't you wish it was just CAFE and not that?
 
Here's the real CAFE story:
 
"In a change of policy, the government will now regulate fuel economy for individual models, based on vehicle size. This results in different standards for different manufacturers."
 
Government Raises Fuel Economy Standards For 2011
 
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chart for the above story by steve_ HOST
Apr 01, 2009 (6:29 pm)
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Re: chart for the above story [steve_] by nippononly
Apr 01, 2009 (8:20 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 01, 2009 6:29 pm)

Beyond being surprised that Tata appears on the lists even though they do not (yet) sell any vehicles in America that I am aware of, I don't see any significant trends here, do you? I do note that BMW seems like it is going to have to work extra hard, and didn't they sue in Europe when similar rules went into effect over there? What was the outcome of that lawsuit anyway? I have a feeling they won, although I have only a very fuzzy recollection of it. If they did win over there, I bet they will sue here too.
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Re: chart for the above story [nippononly] by gagrice
Apr 02, 2009 (6:29 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 01, 2009 8:20 pm)

Will the automakers sue CAFE for balance?
 
Someone needs to jerk the governments chain. The whole concept of CAFE leaves the consumer out of the equation. I am not going to buy a car neutered by government regulations if I can help it. While I would love to have a large SUV that gets 30 MPG, I am not going to give up performance or utility to achieve the goals of a bunch of misguided government lackeys.
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Re: chart for the above story [gagrice] by larsb
Apr 02, 2009 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 02, 2009 6:29 am)

What's misguided about trying to improve fuel economy?
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Re: chart for the above story [gagrice] by nippononly
Apr 02, 2009 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 02, 2009 6:29 am)

I don't believe they are misguided overall. But CAFE is a very poor tool for accomplishing their goals. Where you and I part ways is in disagreeing that the U.S. needs to reduce or entirely stop its oil importation without sacrificing environmental standards to get there.
 
I am more for an increased gas tax, which allows the consumer maximum discretion both over vehicle purchases and the amount of driving they do, than I am for a bigger better CAFE.
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nippononly... by iluvmysephia1
Apr 02, 2009 (8:20 am)
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don't you think that this is a horrible time to increase gasoline taxes? I mean, my wife and I are certainly in a position to pay a higher percentage, but a lot of Americans are not. I would think that this will further break people's financial spirits to up Federal fuel taxes.
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Re: CAFE is back in the news [steve_] by kdhspyder
Apr 02, 2009 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 01, 2009 6:28 pm)

Rather than repost I'll just refer to my two comments at the end of that article.
 
Mountains and Molehills.
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Re: nippononly... [iluvmysephia1] by nippononly
Apr 02, 2009 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 02, 2009 8:20 am)

Well I was speaking in general, but implementing the tax should probably wait until the unemployment drops back to a more normal level. We could be talking 12 months there, hopefully less.
 
Certainly the unemployment rate is the only factor that should be taken into account in terms of the timing of the gas tax. It should start out with a modest bump, with regular, small but frequent increases. If we set $4 gas as our target price floor, we have already shown (last summer) that it will be enough to begin to get people to conserve, and also to make changes in their vehicle buying habits. Then automakers can quit crying foul, they can make what they like and see what people will buy.
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Re: chart for the above story [nippononly] by kdhspyder
Apr 02, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2009 7:27 am)

For you and I and larsb and many others already driving very efficient vehicles such a gas tax is an additional tax burden that I am absolutely against. I already cut my fuel usage by 35% back in 2005 ( 4cyl Camry to Prius ). A gas tax just takes more money from my pocket with nothing gained in return.
 
I have no further choices except to drive fewer miles, change jobs, move domicile, etc.

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