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Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?

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Re: Apparently NOT [nippononly] by boaz47
Jan 13, 2009 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2009 1:04 pm)

"The new administration has until April 1st to set new CAFE 2020 standards for the period 2011-2015, or else they will miss the window for modifying the requirements for the 2011 model year. They have to decide how much of the ramping-up in standards must occur by 2015."
 
Shall we at this point make a friendly wager as to if they will pass the new standards by April? My bet is they will not set the new standards in 09 because they just gave the auto makers a huge amount of money and most pundants are saying the new administration will give them even more.
 
Do you believe they will stand up and be counted or will they keep their mouth shut?
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Re: Apparently NOT [boaz47] by nippononly
Jan 13, 2009 (10:13 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 13, 2009 3:06 pm)

Oh, I'm quite sure they will set the new standards, and I hope they set them high for 2015, because it coincides with one of the planks in Obama's campaign platform.
 
Will they also give the automakers loads more money to flush down the drain? Sure, I think so. And I bet their first priority will be to disburse the $25 billion in loans already approved to help automakers increase their average fuel economy. And I'm sure the requirement originally set in that legislation that automakers would have to prove long-term viability before they can get the money will be out the window from the word "go".
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Re: Apparently NOT [nippononly] by gagrice
Jan 14, 2009 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2009 10:13 pm)

I thought the CAFE was set in the 2007 Energy Bill.
 
The Senate late last night passed the energy bill by a Yea-Nea vote of 65-27, including a compromise version (SA 1792) of CAFE legislation that increases new light-duty vehicle fleetwide fuel economy to an average 35 mpg by 2020, but that eliminates the mandatory 4% per year increase thereafter that had been part of the original proposal.
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Re: Apparently NOT [gagrice] by nippononly
Jan 15, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 14, 2009 5:39 am)

The 2020 target was set by the 2007 bill, but not the ramp-up schedule. They are looking for 40% of the ramp-up to be in place by 2015.
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CAFE is back in the news by steve_ HOST
Apr 01, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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California Will Require Vehicle Service Providers To Check Tire Pressure
 
Ok, don't you wish it was just CAFE and not that?
 
Here's the real CAFE story:
 
"In a change of policy, the government will now regulate fuel economy for individual models, based on vehicle size. This results in different standards for different manufacturers."
 
Government Raises Fuel Economy Standards For 2011
 
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chart for the above story by steve_ HOST
Apr 01, 2009 (6:29 pm)
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Re: chart for the above story [steve_] by nippononly
Apr 01, 2009 (8:20 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 01, 2009 6:29 pm)

Beyond being surprised that Tata appears on the lists even though they do not (yet) sell any vehicles in America that I am aware of, I don't see any significant trends here, do you? I do note that BMW seems like it is going to have to work extra hard, and didn't they sue in Europe when similar rules went into effect over there? What was the outcome of that lawsuit anyway? I have a feeling they won, although I have only a very fuzzy recollection of it. If they did win over there, I bet they will sue here too.
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Re: chart for the above story [nippononly] by gagrice
Apr 02, 2009 (6:29 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 01, 2009 8:20 pm)

Will the automakers sue CAFE for balance?
 
Someone needs to jerk the governments chain. The whole concept of CAFE leaves the consumer out of the equation. I am not going to buy a car neutered by government regulations if I can help it. While I would love to have a large SUV that gets 30 MPG, I am not going to give up performance or utility to achieve the goals of a bunch of misguided government lackeys.
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Re: chart for the above story [gagrice] by larsb
Apr 02, 2009 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 02, 2009 6:29 am)

What's misguided about trying to improve fuel economy?
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Re: chart for the above story [gagrice] by nippononly
Apr 02, 2009 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 02, 2009 6:29 am)

I don't believe they are misguided overall. But CAFE is a very poor tool for accomplishing their goals. Where you and I part ways is in disagreeing that the U.S. needs to reduce or entirely stop its oil importation without sacrificing environmental standards to get there.
 
I am more for an increased gas tax, which allows the consumer maximum discretion both over vehicle purchases and the amount of driving they do, than I am for a bigger better CAFE.

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