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Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?

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Re: it's funny [steve_] by nippononly
Dec 01, 2008 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 01, 2008 12:05 pm)

If so, that's enormously stupid of them for two reasons: (1) the congress has already set aside money to give the domestics to help meet the new standard, as soon as (if) they get back on their feet, and (2) if you allow the domestics to delay in producing more fuel-efficient models, that will just leave them in even hotter water the next time gas prices spike, which I'm sure isn't more than 10 years out, and probably less than 5.
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Re: it's funny [nippononly] by boaz47
Dec 01, 2008 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 01, 2008 1:31 pm)

I have to agree with Steve. If the government is involved with handing out money they will more than likely hand out exemptions as well. How much has Cafe done in all of the years they have been in business? I know the answer will come back with a few Ya Buts and if only they could. Or at least they kept things flat. But just like CARB they are guard dogs without teeth. And as myopic as they been there is very little reason to believe those bozos will do better in the future. If we can in good conscience condemn the domestic auto manufacturers as failures then we can't turn a blind eye on the failures of CAFE and CARB. I say toss them and find something better to do with whatever we pay them. With all of the trucks and SUVs Ford, Chrysler and GM made over the last 15 years just how much in fines did CAFE get from them? If you had a security guard that didn't do their job any better than CAFE wouldn't you fire them?
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Apparently NOT by larsb
Jan 13, 2009 (1:05 pm)
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Apparently NOT:
 
Mercedes fined for violating fuel efficiency rules
 
Mercedes-Benz's U.S. division paid a $28.9 million fine in December for violating federal fuel efficiency requirements, the government said Tuesday.
 
Mercedes-Benz USA LLC paid the fine for imported passenger cars from the 2007 model year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in documents released to The Associated Press.
 
Isn't SOMEONE at MB smart enough to say, "all we need is a couple of small diesel hybrids making 70+ MPG and we can save these fines."
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Re: Apparently NOT [larsb] by boaz47
Jan 13, 2009 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 13, 2009 1:05 pm)

Obviously MB didn't make any pick-up trucks or enough SUVs. But CAFE and CARB did make it hard on large imports. But with what they got for a MB the fine must not have meant much. We should dump CAFE and let the market decide.
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Re: Apparently NOT [larsb] by dtownfb
Jan 13, 2009 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 13, 2009 1:05 pm)

If I remember right (unfortunately I don't have a source) BMW has been fined in the past but simply pass that fine to the consumer with higher prices.
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Re: Apparently NOT [dtownfb] by nippononly
Jan 13, 2009 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 13, 2009 1:57 pm)

As do all the luxury makes.
 
The new administration has until April 1st to set new CAFE 2020 standards for the period 2011-2015, or else they will miss the window for modifying the requirements for the 2011 model year. They have to decide how much of the ramping-up in standards must occur by 2015.
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Re: Apparently NOT [nippononly] by boaz47
Jan 13, 2009 (4:06 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2009 2:04 pm)

"The new administration has until April 1st to set new CAFE 2020 standards for the period 2011-2015, or else they will miss the window for modifying the requirements for the 2011 model year. They have to decide how much of the ramping-up in standards must occur by 2015."
 
Shall we at this point make a friendly wager as to if they will pass the new standards by April? My bet is they will not set the new standards in 09 because they just gave the auto makers a huge amount of money and most pundants are saying the new administration will give them even more.
 
Do you believe they will stand up and be counted or will they keep their mouth shut?
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Re: Apparently NOT [boaz47] by nippononly
Jan 13, 2009 (11:13 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 13, 2009 4:06 pm)

Oh, I'm quite sure they will set the new standards, and I hope they set them high for 2015, because it coincides with one of the planks in Obama's campaign platform.
 
Will they also give the automakers loads more money to flush down the drain? Sure, I think so. And I bet their first priority will be to disburse the $25 billion in loans already approved to help automakers increase their average fuel economy. And I'm sure the requirement originally set in that legislation that automakers would have to prove long-term viability before they can get the money will be out the window from the word "go".
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Re: Apparently NOT [nippononly] by gagrice
Jan 14, 2009 (6:39 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2009 11:13 pm)

I thought the CAFE was set in the 2007 Energy Bill.
 
The Senate late last night passed the energy bill by a Yea-Nea vote of 65-27, including a compromise version (SA 1792) of CAFE legislation that increases new light-duty vehicle fleetwide fuel economy to an average 35 mpg by 2020, but that eliminates the mandatory 4% per year increase thereafter that had been part of the original proposal.
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Re: Apparently NOT [gagrice] by nippononly
Jan 15, 2009 (8:06 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 14, 2009 6:39 am)

The 2020 target was set by the 2007 bill, but not the ramp-up schedule. They are looking for 40% of the ramp-up to be in place by 2015.

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