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Automotive News & Views Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?
507 messages, Last post on Oct 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 03, 2008 7:22 am) And how much have medical costs declined since safety standards and emissions control standards were phased in during the late 1960s, even adjusted for inflation? steve: We talking more tax funded hospital stays if air bags weren't common and seat belt laws weren't enforced. Actually, no, because if people were killed, which is what happened quite often in the old days, they didn't go to the hospital, they went directly to the funeral home, and then to the cemetery, and didn't cost taxpayers much of anything, except possibly for death benefits related to Social Security for survivors. steve: No emissions controls means more asthma attacks and sick people missing work. Except that the incidence of asthma has been increasing even as levels of pollutants have been decreasing for decades...
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 04, 2008 9:25 am)  Cafe as in a latte - we're not talking the Morning Call or Cafe' du Monde. mmmm, a couple of beignets would sure taste good right about now ....
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 04, 2008 9:53 am)  I can foresee the car of the future. It kind of looks like a giant bumper car. One of these days the Insurance companies are going to say enough with the high cost of totaling these throwaway crumple cars. |
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Out of the mouth of Edmunds itself! "Proving once again that Corporate Average Fuel Economy rules are a failure in boosting fuel economy, the federal government Wednesday released the list of fines automakers will pay for not meeting fuel-efficiency standards in 2007. And new records were set." http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/01/automakers-fine.html#more
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 04, 2008 7:34 pm) 2007 CAFE results show auto makers exceed the current standards Estimated 2007 model year results are: • General Motors Corp.: 29.9 mpg for domestic cars, 31.9 mpg for imported vehicles and 22.6 mpg for light trucks. • Ford Motor Co.: 29 mpg for domestically produced cars, 29.9 mpg for imported cars and 22.2 mpg for light trucks. • DaimlerChrysler: 28.6 mpg for domestic vehicles, 24.7 mpg for imported vehicles and 22.6 mpg for light trucks. • Toyota Motor Corp.: 31.6 mpg for domestically produced cars, 38.5 mpg for imported cars -- largely based on Prius hybrids -- and 23.9 mpg for light trucks. • Honda Motor Co.: 33.5 mpg for domestically produced cars, 39.6 mpg for imports, and 25 mpg for light trucks. • Nissan Motor Co.: 25.6 for imported cars, 34 mpg for domestically produced cars and 22.9 mpg for light trucks. I think that she's referring to the Mercedes part of the former DC that had to pay the fines. BMW is no surprise they always ignore the rules and just pay the fines ( well the buyers pay the fines ). |
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"NHTSA officials would not disclose any details, but the average for cars is 27.5 miles per gallon now, while trucks are at 22.7 mpg. That means the necessary hikes, spread over just four increases, are going to have to be pretty substantial -- averaging almost two miles per gallon each time for cars, and a little more than three mpg for trucks." NHTSA Submits Plan For Meeting 2020 CAFE Standard (GreenCarAdvisor)
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Replying to: steve_ (Feb 23, 2008 3:18 am) But most importantly our entire buying pattern might be entirely different in 5 or 7 or 12 years. If a jump of $1.50 in fuel has caused 1 million buyers to get out of their BOF vehicles in favor of something more efficient what would a $3.00 jump in prices do? ( $4.50 / gallon ). How about a $5.00 jump in prices by 2015 up to $6 or $7 a gallon? What will the public be demanding at those price levels? Probably it won't be a 16 mpg SUV or CrewCab truck. My guess is that at those elevated fuel prices the mix of vehicles will be heavily weighted in favor of the ultra-efficient models making well over 40 mpg.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Feb 23, 2008 8:36 am) Maybe we should buy and garage a few HUMMERS or F-250 V-10s on speculation? The other consequence someone mentioned around the boards yesterday goes - gas gets to $6 or $7 quickly. People quit driving. The majors quit making SUVs. Oil demand crashes and there's a glut of cheap gas. And then there's nothing new to drive but smarts and Yarises. |
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by a Smart doing at least 80. Wonder what fuel economy he was getting at that speed?!  I am all for ramping up gas taxes some to instill some more common sense out there among the buying public. I don't know about $5/gallon though. I was thinking that $1.50 would be OK, spread out over 7-10 years. Forget CAFE, and start regulating emissions of CO2 instead. Let's get at the heart of the matter.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 03, 2008 6:13 pm)
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