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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 03, 2008 8:38 am) Here are a couple of different reports on the report Stanford released today on global warming, and the dangers it creates for humans. http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/caganone-010908.html http://parkwayblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/stanford-report.html This second one clearly delineates that Californians are more at risk than the rest of the nation, making it appropriate that California should set special standards for itself for CO2 emissions. 5 of the 7 worst cities in the nation are apparently here in good ol' Cali, including LA, Fresno, Bakersfield, Visalia, and Sacramento. What a shocker. CO2 is clearly a culprit here...
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 03, 2008 10:03 am) He has a fleet of Hummers. He also has a prototype Hydrogen Hummer 2 for show. Ahnold in a Prius would be funny though... In what the company has called a "bold experiment," Hummer has prepared a hydrogen-powered version of its H2 SUT (sport utility truck), the H2H. The vehicle is not intended for production, and a Hummer spokesperson said yesterday in a phone interview that the company will not divulge the prototype's development cost. GM does not allow Schwarzenegger to use the "Self-Serve" lane at the hydrogen station. The company fills the tank itself, keeps the vehicle in Lake Forest, Calif. (near its engineering facilities and Quantum's offices) and requires that a GM engineer ride in the car at all times. http://www.forbes.com/2005/01/04/cx_dl_0104vow.html |
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 03, 2008 10:03 am) Those cities are going to get worse in the SJ Valley. The trucks coming up from Mexico can make the whole round trip on their very cheap high sulfur diesel. Wonder what CARB is doing about truckers coming into CA with dirty diesel from AZ, NV and Mexico? |
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Here's why I thought he had sold them all - it was reported in many trustworthy news sources about 18 months ago. Four days later, it turned out that he had in fact only sold four. He claims he doesn't drive the other three (!!). Of those three, one is the alt fuel experimental H2 that GM has converted to run on hydrogen. http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2006/09/22/5/
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 03, 2008 6:13 pm) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 03, 2008 7:22 am) And how much have medical costs declined since safety standards and emissions control standards were phased in during the late 1960s, even adjusted for inflation? steve: We talking more tax funded hospital stays if air bags weren't common and seat belt laws weren't enforced. Actually, no, because if people were killed, which is what happened quite often in the old days, they didn't go to the hospital, they went directly to the funeral home, and then to the cemetery, and didn't cost taxpayers much of anything, except possibly for death benefits related to Social Security for survivors. steve: No emissions controls means more asthma attacks and sick people missing work. Except that the incidence of asthma has been increasing even as levels of pollutants have been decreasing for decades...
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 04, 2008 9:25 am)  Cafe as in a latte - we're not talking the Morning Call or Cafe' du Monde. mmmm, a couple of beignets would sure taste good right about now ....
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 04, 2008 9:53 am)  I can foresee the car of the future. It kind of looks like a giant bumper car. One of these days the Insurance companies are going to say enough with the high cost of totaling these throwaway crumple cars. |
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Out of the mouth of Edmunds itself! "Proving once again that Corporate Average Fuel Economy rules are a failure in boosting fuel economy, the federal government Wednesday released the list of fines automakers will pay for not meeting fuel-efficiency standards in 2007. And new records were set." http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/01/automakers-fine.html#more
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 04, 2008 7:34 pm) 2007 CAFE results show auto makers exceed the current standards Estimated 2007 model year results are: • General Motors Corp.: 29.9 mpg for domestic cars, 31.9 mpg for imported vehicles and 22.6 mpg for light trucks. • Ford Motor Co.: 29 mpg for domestically produced cars, 29.9 mpg for imported cars and 22.2 mpg for light trucks. • DaimlerChrysler: 28.6 mpg for domestic vehicles, 24.7 mpg for imported vehicles and 22.6 mpg for light trucks. • Toyota Motor Corp.: 31.6 mpg for domestically produced cars, 38.5 mpg for imported cars -- largely based on Prius hybrids -- and 23.9 mpg for light trucks. • Honda Motor Co.: 33.5 mpg for domestically produced cars, 39.6 mpg for imports, and 25 mpg for light trucks. • Nissan Motor Co.: 25.6 for imported cars, 34 mpg for domestically produced cars and 22.9 mpg for light trucks. I think that she's referring to the Mercedes part of the former DC that had to pay the fines. BMW is no surprise they always ignore the rules and just pay the fines ( well the buyers pay the fines ). |
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