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Automotive News & Views Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 03, 2008 7:42 am) That's somewhat of an exaggeration. The numbers used by CARB will be from the NHTSA, not the EPA's numbers. I believe the Corolla already exceeds the CARB mandate. There is little doubt that by 2016 more hybrids and maybe even plug-in hybrids or EVs will be on the market that considerably exceed this new standard. This will allow some room for selling vehicles that get around 25 mpg. They probably will cost more to keep the numbers down. However if gas prices continue to rise significantly the automanufacturers will probably meet these CARB targets well ahead of schedule because the consumers will be demanding fuel efficiency.
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Replying to: tpe (Jan 03, 2008 8:24 am) I have been demanding a fuel efficient 1/2 ton PU for over 15 years. It has done very little good. I would even consider a smaller PU if the mileage gain was good enough. It is not even close to what the rest of the world is getting. So forgive my lack of optimism where any government entity is involved. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 03, 2008 7:22 am) How clean is clean enough? How safe is safe enough? A Hummer ONE is a heck of a lot safer than a Prius. Just not quite as clean. You see what our man Arnold drives. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 03, 2008 8:38 am) How safe is safe enough? Ask me again in 30 years. Change is constant but progress seems awfully slow. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 03, 2008 8:38 am) Here are a couple of different reports on the report Stanford released today on global warming, and the dangers it creates for humans. http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/caganone-010908.html http://parkwayblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/stanford-report.html This second one clearly delineates that Californians are more at risk than the rest of the nation, making it appropriate that California should set special standards for itself for CO2 emissions. 5 of the 7 worst cities in the nation are apparently here in good ol' Cali, including LA, Fresno, Bakersfield, Visalia, and Sacramento. What a shocker. CO2 is clearly a culprit here...
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 03, 2008 10:03 am) He has a fleet of Hummers. He also has a prototype Hydrogen Hummer 2 for show. Ahnold in a Prius would be funny though... In what the company has called a "bold experiment," Hummer has prepared a hydrogen-powered version of its H2 SUT (sport utility truck), the H2H. The vehicle is not intended for production, and a Hummer spokesperson said yesterday in a phone interview that the company will not divulge the prototype's development cost. GM does not allow Schwarzenegger to use the "Self-Serve" lane at the hydrogen station. The company fills the tank itself, keeps the vehicle in Lake Forest, Calif. (near its engineering facilities and Quantum's offices) and requires that a GM engineer ride in the car at all times. http://www.forbes.com/2005/01/04/cx_dl_0104vow.html |
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 03, 2008 10:03 am) Those cities are going to get worse in the SJ Valley. The trucks coming up from Mexico can make the whole round trip on their very cheap high sulfur diesel. Wonder what CARB is doing about truckers coming into CA with dirty diesel from AZ, NV and Mexico? |
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Here's why I thought he had sold them all - it was reported in many trustworthy news sources about 18 months ago. Four days later, it turned out that he had in fact only sold four. He claims he doesn't drive the other three (!!). Of those three, one is the alt fuel experimental H2 that GM has converted to run on hydrogen. http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2006/09/22/5/
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 03, 2008 6:13 pm) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 03, 2008 7:22 am) And how much have medical costs declined since safety standards and emissions control standards were phased in during the late 1960s, even adjusted for inflation? steve: We talking more tax funded hospital stays if air bags weren't common and seat belt laws weren't enforced. Actually, no, because if people were killed, which is what happened quite often in the old days, they didn't go to the hospital, they went directly to the funeral home, and then to the cemetery, and didn't cost taxpayers much of anything, except possibly for death benefits related to Social Security for survivors. steve: No emissions controls means more asthma attacks and sick people missing work. Except that the incidence of asthma has been increasing even as levels of pollutants have been decreasing for decades...
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