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Automotive News & Views Has CAFE reached the end of its usefulness?
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Replying to: stovebolter (Dec 19, 2007 11:34 am) I hate the way automakers package options. I use cruise control almost every day, I like a good/great stereo and A/C, but I would happily hand-crank my windows and lock the car manually all day long. And I have no use for anything beyond there really. I really object to the ones that add a lot of weight like power windows and mirrors, a gazillion airbags everywhere, stuff like that. ABS can be useful and seems to add very little weight, so that one passes the nippon sniff test!  Try and find my fave combination (A/C, upgrade stereo, cruise) out there on America's dealer lots though. The car I currently commute in has that combo, but only because the stereo and cruise are aftermarket. A lot of the extra weight goes into reinforcing the steel structure of the car for more torsional and bending rigidity. These new cars are tauter than a drum, and certainly more so than sport sedans of the 80s. Why the heck does a commuter in a Cobalt or a Civic need that? Better to lighten the load by a quarter ton, reduce the engine power accordingly, and save some gas,. |
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we will drive whatever they build and sell. But if someone makes a car just a bit faster or more comfortable we will drop the basic car just as fast. Our country is simply hard wired that way. We talk about cars and they are less than 50 percent of our energy useage in this country. Look at the energy use the average single family house has compared to stack housing. Who here would give up our rather large homes compared to other places just to same some energy? Not many. We fly in commercial jets that simply burn energy and say we are forced to because time is money. No I believe we are a long way off from conserving for the sake of conserving.
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Replying to: kcram (Dec 19, 2007 10:04 am) Honestly, probably not. Even at $3.00/gal gas isn't unaffordable. Europeans have been paying more than that for decades,and they still produce plenty of big high hp cars,and now SUV's. |
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 19, 2007 3:50 pm) 1) But if someone makes a car just a bit faster or more comfortable we will drop the basic car just as fast. Our country is simply hard wired that way. 2) We talk about cars and they are less than 50 percent of our energy useage in this country. Look at the energy use the average single family house has compared to stack housing. Who here would give up our rather large homes compared to other places just to same some energy? Not many. We fly in commercial jets that simply burn energy and say we are forced to because time is money. No I believe we are a long way off from conserving for the sake of conserving. 1) This used to be true but no so much anymore. Since 2003 the buying public has walked away from nearly 1 million SUVs and trucks from just the top 4 makers. They switched to something smaller and more efficient. It's all in the sales stats. 2) Vehicles might be under 50% of the 'energy' consumers in our country but they account for 65% of the total petroleum products we use on a daily basis. In fact our vehicles in the US use more petroleum products ( daily, monthly. annually )than any other nation on earth uses in total. Our vehicle usage uses the equivalent of the entire output of Saudi Arabia every single day...and then some. |
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Only from government could 35=26 I can't wait to see the comments Alternate Route's entry for today generates... Is Not, Is Too Just incredible 
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Dec 20, 2007 4:51 am) The 110th Congress is a JOKE.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 20, 2007 6:38 am) That does it - I'm having sausage for breakfast. Just don't make me watch it being made. One of the comments on John O'Dell's blog was good - it's the percentage improvement that counts, not the number.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 20, 2007 6:47 am) That sounds good. I think we have some Jimmy Dean spicy in the refrigerator. I would be interested to read the 822 page bill in its entirety. It has been a while since I was bored to tears. I may have to eat my words if there is a little pork for all of US in the bill. Congress gave final approval to the 822-page measure Tuesday, delivering it to the White House in a Toyota Prius hybrid vehicle. Bush drove to the signing ceremony in the presidential motorcade, which includes his armored Cadillac sedan. The legislation calls for a 40% increase in fuel efficiency for new cars and light trucks by 2020, for a fleetwide average of 35 miles per gallon. It also requires a fivefold increase -- to 36 billion gallons -- in the amount of alternative homegrown fuels, such as ethanol, that must be added to the nation's gasoline supply by 2022. 2007 Energy bill |
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California filed suit in the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals today, seeking to reverse EPA's decision on its waiver request: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080102/ap_on_re_us/california_greenhouse_gases 15 states are getting set to enter the lawsuit on California's side. I wonder how long the feds will be able to drag it out before there is a decision. Originally, California's law limiting greenhouse emissions from automobiles was supposed to take effect with the MY 2009 new vehicles. It has already been more than 3 years since the law was passed.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 02, 2008 3:40 pm) I think we should vote to make every car, SUV and PU truck get 75 MPG. Just because some misguided law is enacted does not mean anything will happen. It would just end up costing the consumers more money for less of a vehicle. Do we have any idea what this law would mean to the average car buyer?. Or was it one of those well disguised propositions designed to make the voter feel good just before it stabs them in the back?
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