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#383 of 496 Civic Hybrid Manual Transmission slipping out
Jan 06, 2011 (12:23 pm)
I have a 2005 Civic Hybrid with manual transmission that has served well for the last 6 years. I started having problems with the transmission at about 70,000 miles. It would intermittently fail to engage in reverse gear. Although the lever was placed in the proper position and the clutch engaged it would not move. Moving the gears through several positions would usually get it to engage.
I was told by the dealer that this was normal and resulted from not placing the transmission in first gear before moving it to the reverse gear position. That sounded strange to me. Now at 160,000 miles the problem continues to plague this car. Sometimes the gear shift needs to be run through the 1st gear to reverse gear positions 2 or 3 times before it will engage. Occasionally it will start out alright and then pop out of reverse while rolling. This is particularly bad when parked front down on a hill and needing to back out of the position.
The dealer has not been able or willing to confirm this problem and continues to insist that there is no problem and that the issue is inherent in the design of the syncros and that the manipulation of the gear lever is a required part of running this transmission properly.
Is this a common problem with the honda manual transmission? Is it a design flaw? Is it worth the $600 that the dealer would charge me to tear it down to see if there is something wrong? Would I be better served to get an opinion from a transmission shop rather than the dealer?
Interested in your opinions,
#384 of 496 Re: Civic Hybrid Manual Transmission slipping out [bg_in_olympia]
Jan 06, 2011 (5:33 pm)
Well, at 160,000 miles, it wouldn't be unexpected to have some problems with a manual transmission. They do wear out eventually, usually the synchronizers go first, then the sliders. The sliders engage gears on the various shafts in a manual tranny. I am not sure if reverse is synchronized in your tranny or not. It does sound like you have a bad slider, though. Bad sliders will cause the trans to pop out of gear, the teeth on the slider become worn and are more likely to disengage from the gear they are trying to engage.
Unfortunately, the only way to find out is to have a COMPETENT mechanic pull the transmission out and tear it down. I say competent because most places will just tell you that you need a new transmission. They don't rebuild transmissions themselves. It's quicker for them, and they usually mark up the transmission about 30% over what they paid for it.
A competent shop can fix the reverse slider (and sync if applicable) only, but at 160,000 miles, it's a good bet that the rest of the transmission should be rebuilt. Oh, and I don't believe this problem is a design flaw, or the way you have been shifting into reverse (as long as it doesn't grind).
#386 of 496 Re: Civic Hybrid Manual Transmission slipping out [bg_in_olympia]
Jan 07, 2011 (5:10 am)
Honda dealerships thrive on the factory defects. It is a well known fact the the HCH transmissions are defective. I would look around your area for a good transmission shop and ask them if they can handle the CVT tranny. there are many that can these days since the technology has been around for a while.
good luck. I will never buy anything made by Honda again. they do not treasure their customer like Toyota does.
#387 of 496 HCH CVT going, going, gone.
Jan 28, 2011 (9:33 pm)
I have a 2007 HCH CVT with 103,500 miles on it and the dealer says I need a new transmission. At 101,500 it was discovered that there are metal shavings in the tranny fluid after I had the dealer check out a noise that I have when the motor restarts after AutoStop. I have had the noise for at least 5,000 miles but just had the dealer check it out when I did because the noise got much worse over the previous weekend. Unfortunately, the 100,000 mi extended warranty had just expired. That part is on me. Should have pushed the issue earlier. Power on the hills is way down though on the last tank from Albuquerque to Denver I got almost 50 mpg and most of it is uphill.
Be that as it may, I had the dealer change the transmission fluid and I proceeded to drive >2400 miles in the last 10 days and it still sounds about the same. They say they don't know if the transmission will last another 50,000 miles or 5 miles.
Honda America is offering to pay for 1/2 of the $3800 a new trans will cost.
Anyone have a similar experience and what has Honda offered to pay on their transmission? I did see where they offered $700 to one person so this is a better deal but if this is a known defect I think they should ante up more. What kind of estimates have any of you received on replacing a similar transmission?
As an aside, I really hate the software update that Honda installed last fall. Really reduces the assist from the batteries.
Thanks for any input.
#388 of 496 Re: HCH CVT going, going, gone. [greatauk]
Jan 29, 2011 (9:24 am)
If the dealer will pay 50%, I would go for it. It, being a new Transmission!! A year ago they agreed to pay half of my repair bill to fix my CVT Tranny - several months and 20,000 miles later the Tranny went out. That time I had to pay almost $4,000 for a new Tranny, and the dealer wouldn't help. I need my car, so I paid. I posted the outcome here at Edmonds about six months ago.
#389 of 496 Re: HCH CVT going, going, gone. [greatauk]
Jan 29, 2011 (11:30 am)
I'm with "ted50"...If you are intent in keeping the HCH, take the deal. 50% is far better than the nothing I and so many others (read this Forum) were offered. Mine was a first year HCH (an '03)...It is very disappointing that you had this same problem in an '07. Honda really didn't learn from experience. The fact that they continued to produce this "time bomb" 5 years later without coming clean with their problem with the American public is why, after 40+ years of Honda ownership (everything from motorcycles to cars to outboards and generators), I'll never buy nor recommend anything "Honda". I traded my HCH in on a (then) new '09 Prius...we have also an '05 Sienna, '10 Subaru, and a '95 Subaru in our "stable"...and those firms have continually stood behind their products with service, support, and, yes, the occasional recall. I've never felt abandoned by those firms, unlike my experience with Honda America. Good luck with your HCH!
#390 of 496 Re: HCH CVT going, going, gone. [greatauk]
Jan 31, 2011 (5:20 am)
get rid of the vehicle. buy anything but a Honda. they are an awful company that does not treasure their customers and make defective products they do not stand behind. Take the money you were going to spend on the tranny and put a down payment on a different vehicle. I will never..ever..buy anything made by Honda.
#391 of 496 Re: HCH CVT going, going, gone. [greatauk]
Feb 04, 2011 (5:06 am)
Go back through the posts and find the ones I posted about my tranny problem. Mine was making noise when I put it in drive or reverse and when it came back on from autostop. I fixed it myself. Here are some pictures and a description of the repair. http://hchdoctorstransmissionpage.yolasite.com/ I hope this helps you out.
The honda dealerships don't repair anything, they just change parts... to them, a 'part' is a WHOLE transmission, not a bearing or valve body or intermediate plate. Why throw away an entire transmission when the problem might only be a $10.95 bearing? The Honda dealerships don't want to mess with pulling apart a tranny... probably because of lack of knowledge or not wanting to spend the time on it. Good luck!