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Replying to: zperson1 (Mar 10, 2006 1:27 pm)  Looking further at this situation, I see that even this newer information is still lacking the VW 503.01 spec, which IIRC is the one for the 2006 turbocharged cars. Going back to my previous post I'll say it again, unless the oil meets the VW 502.00/505.00 AND 503.01 specification, I wouldn't put it in my car. Best Regards, Shipo
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 10, 2006 1:40 pm) http://www.vw.com/vwcom/content/objects/pdf/service_maint/oilchart.pdf#search='v- w%20502.00'
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Replying to: zperson1 (Mar 10, 2006 1:47 pm) http://www.vw.com/vwcom/content/objects/pdf/service_maint/engoil_gas.pdf#search=- 'vw%20502.00'
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Replying to: zperson1 (Mar 10, 2006 1:50 pm) The following information is courtesy of someone who calls himself oilman: VW 500.00 This is an old oil specification and is applicable to engines built before model year 2000 (up to August 1999) Viscosity ratings: SAE 5w-40, 10w-40 or 20w-40 This oil can be used in all gasoline and some diesel engines, apart from those referred to under other specifications. VW 501.01 This is another old oil specification with exactly the same application as VW 500.00. Viscosity ratings: SAE 10w-40, 15w-40 or 20w-40 VW 502.00 This oil can only be used in gasoline engines and is recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications. Viscosity ratings: SAE 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40 VW 503.00 This is a relatively new oil specification for gasoline engines with variable service intervals. It includes the AUDI S4, but not the RS4, or the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30 VW 503.01 A new oil specification specifically for the RS4, and the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp, Passat W8 and Phaeton W12. Viscosity rating: 0w-30 or 0w-40 VW 505.00 For all diesel engines prior to model year 2000 (August 1999) Viscosity rating: 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40 VW 505.01 For all diesel engines with unit injectors (Pumpe-Duse or PD) without variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 5w-40 VW 506.00 For all diesel engines except those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30 VW 506.01 For all diesel engines, including those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30 Reading between the lines, the 503.01 oil spec was designed for the highest output engines from the VW/Audi stable, and one of the references was specifically to the previous generation 1.8T producing more than 180 hp. Given that both of the mills available in the Passat are substantially more powerful than that, it would seem logical to me that oil that meets the 503.01 standard would be decidedly more desirable to use instead of the older 502.00 standard. Said/read another way, the 502.00 standard is the minimum spec that can be used to keep the warranty intact but that an oil that meets both the 502.00 and the 503.01 spec is the better bet. Best Regards, Shipo
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 10, 2006 8:48 pm) I sent an email to my service dept (Grappone VW in Concord, NH). I asked them about the oil they use (wanted to make sure it meets or exceeds the VW spec), and expressed some concern that they always put a sticker in the windshield that calls for me to return in 3K for another change (although the interval is 10K - makes me wonder if they really know what oil they just installed). Also, they put an MOA Oil Additive in the last change, although a read of the manual would suggest that this could void the warranty. Given the strict adherence to the change intervals posted in the manual during the sludge issue, I am surprised they would decide to add something without consulting with the manual or car owner first! I'll take that up with them soon. To date, no reply to my inquiry. Guess I'll have to call them.
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Replying to: mrjette (Mar 11, 2006 4:59 am) I've driven two BMWs that had some form of an "Oil Service Reminder" that would calculate when the next oil change was due. Said calculation is basically a determination of how much fuel has been used since the last oil change, however, many folks think that there is also a certain amount of black magic involved in the process as well. Regardless, the system on my cars calculated oil changes in as little as 13,000 miles (lots of driving in NYC traffic) and as much as 18,500 miles (mostly driving back and forth between New Hampshire and NYC). Does VW and/or Audi use such a system? I haven't heard one way or another. Anybody? Best Regards, Shipo |
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Replying to: zperson1 (Mar 10, 2006 12:10 pm) See http://www.jiffylubeproblems.com/ if you want to read others who feel the same... Tom |
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Well it goes on and on. Logical inferences and line after line of oil specs are not specfic facts useful to any owner. People should read the owner's manual and talk to the dealer service staff. And people need to really think about the risk they assume by taking a high performance engine that has critical oil needs and what seems like a history of warranty problems to Jiffy Lube or the local garage to save a few dollars. The VW or Audio oil change service receipts may just collect dust but might be very handy some day when.."my turbo started to make a loud noise....!"
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Replying to: jimd4 (Mar 11, 2006 3:52 pm) They aren't? Well, speaking strictly for myself then, when a manufacturer comes out with an oil spec, and said oil spec isn't on the bottle of oil I'm looking at, it ain't going into my engine. That seems to be both simple and useful to me. Regarding talking to the service staff at your friendly neighborhood dealership regarding what is the proper oil for your car, well, that can be hit and miss too. The sad fact is that in entirely too many cases, it is the dealership that is at fault for not using the proper oil. Along the same lines, a couple of years back there was a class-action law suit brought against some BMW dealerships for not following the BMW oil spec when perfoming the "Free maintenance". I'm thinking that the only sure bet is to do the oil changes yourself. Finding the oil is easy, just match up the oil spec from the Owner's Manual to the oil on the shelf at your local parts store, and away you go. Given that that simply isn't practical for many/most folks, the next best thing would be to question your dealership about the specific oil that they use in cars like yours. If they are even a little vague when answering the question, find a different dealership. Best Regards, Shipo |
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| My VW dealer is still using oil that is half dino, half synthetic, so I would not rely on their expertise. They'll do what is most profitable for the dealer. | |
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