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#64 of 225 Whatever the case, by boaz47 Apr 01, 2006 (9:20 am)
Until we get a chance to see how these vehicles hold up you almost have to bet on Honda. They have had the best small engines for some time. I don't care much for their attempts at bigger vehicles, the Ridgeline doesn't impress me at all but in small cars they are hard to fault.   And yes, timing belt problems with a free wheeler are a lot easier on you than things like the old double overhead cam in my old 124 spyder. Replies to this message: drewmeister (Apr 11, 2006 8:37 am)
#65 of 225 Econobox for fun by tomsr1 Apr 02, 2006 (9:06 am)
As an aging boomer I want some fun in my drive.I drove my son's Focus ZX3 5spd and it was a hoot but interior quality sucks.Which Asian mark would be more fun?Mid range torque makes for fun but some engines don't have it. I noticed the Caliber engine is a high revver and most Honda engines have to be wound up tight.As far as style I don't know if spaceship looks will sell.The Caliber has that beefy American look.For reliability you have to go with Toyota and Honda but is that all there is to it? Replies to this message: robertsmx (Apr 03, 2006 6:30 am)
#66 of 225 Re: Econobox for fun [tomsr1] by robertsmx Apr 03, 2006 (6:30 am)
Replying to: tomsr1 (Apr 02, 2006 9:06 am) For reliability you have to go with Toyota and Honda but is that all there is to it?   Add to it, fuel economy which can be included in long term ownership costs, and flexibility (hatchback market is about utility, for flexibility there will help), and of course, refinement.
#67 of 225 all these cars by nippononly Apr 03, 2006 (9:19 am)
have continuously variable valve timing, I believe. I know the Yaris and Fit do. Equipped that way, none of them will be super high revvers, and will have a fairly broad torque plateau that begins down low. One of the recent reviews of the Fit noted the Fit's "low" 6500-rpm redline.
#68 of 225 Fit's Engine by robertsmx Apr 03, 2006 (9:52 am)
In case of Fit, peak power arrives relatively early (5800 rpm)... some trucks these days don't see their peak power until about 6000 rpm.   Fit's engine is said to be derived from a family of i-DSI (dual sequential ignition, with two spark plugs per cylinder) unit that Fit gets in Japanese and European versions as the base engine. And those engines are designed to perform at lower rpm. The L15 in the North American Fit, however, is a VTECized version, it still isn't a high revving design, and in fact, not one of the latest engines from Honda either.
#69 of 225 Re: Whatever the case, [boaz47] by drewmeister Apr 11, 2006 (8:37 am)
Replying to: boaz47 (Apr 01, 2006 9:20 am) Yeah, it's hard to argue that C&D's test observed the Fit at the best performance AND the second best observed fuel economy (though at 35 to first places' 36, it's within margin of error).   In looking at them online, I like the Versa's styling and interior better. Also, it received better marks for ride.   My wife said the same about all the Honda's we tried at the auto show. Anything larger seemed to be one big expanse of plastic (CR-V, Pilot, etc.). The Civic and Accord don't quite seem that way. Kind of a deal breaker for her.
#70 of 225 drewmeister by boaz47 Apr 15, 2006 (7:05 am)
I have owned a lot of cars and I have had one made by just about every country and manufacturer. I tend to lump them altogether at times which may or may not be fair to the car or manufacturer. But in small cars Honda has always impressed me. Small engines are their Forte from cars to motorcycles to power equipment. when looking at a new product to our shores it is hard to go against the experience Honda brings to the table.   That is not to say I haven't bought other small cars. Sometimes the execution of a particular car gets to me and the car wins a place in my heart. But in this case with the cars mentioned I would put Honda on top of my list until enough time has passed to convince me the others might be as good or better at what they are designed to do in this class as a Honda. Cars have to be pretty ugly to keep me from at least trying them out so any of these three are worth looking at. I'm just not at the point in life where cars this small meet my life style.
#71 of 225 personal opinion by chrisducati Apr 17, 2006 (6:29 am)
I'm just glad there are more to chose from now. I'm a small car lover. If I had to pick a car for styling alone it would be the Yaris hatchback. Unfortunately , Toyota has left out the tach in the U.S market. I drive stick only and while I know the rev limiter will keep me from blowing the engine I still use a tach to get the best performance and gas mileage. That one thing moves me to the Fit, even though I like the styling less. I was disappointed with the Versa sedan styling. As the car is basically a Renault Megane. I was hoping we would get a car based on the Megane II What we end up with was a car that looks more like the older Megan   The Hatchback is closer to the Megane II but still you can tell it is based on the very up right Versa sedan. If I thought there would be a sports version of the Versa hatchback or even dealer add on items I would give it a hard look. 120 hp is enough to make me look twice.
#72 of 225 Skimping on the tach by b3nut Apr 17, 2006 (6:39 am)
is a pet peeve...DCX does it with the base Caliber and Ford does it with the S and SE Focus trim levels (unless you get the SE Sport Group option). Even the strippo Kia Rio and Hyundai Accent come with a tach, for crying out loud...I like having a tach even with an automatic like my Rio5 has, I like knowing what my powerplant is up to. The automakers are just being cheap here.   And what's with this new omit-the-coolant-temp-guage fad? The Scion xA and xB, Toyota Yaris, and Honda Fit suffer from this malady. The Chevy Cobalt almost does, but you can bring up the coolant temp in the display if you page through it enough. Again, it's nice to know what the powerplant is up to. I miss oil pressure guages too...I prefer proper guages to idiot lights...   Todd in Beerbratistan
#73 of 225 There's no coolant temp by iluvmysephia1 Apr 17, 2006 (11:34 am)
guages in the 2007 Toyota Yaris hatch or sedan? Say it isn't so! My two Kia's have had those, yes they have.   Not enough to dampen enthusiasm, but...I'll bet the 2006 Kia Rio LX sedan and 2006 Kia Rio5 do offer a coolant temp guage and for no extra charge, either! I guess it's time to compare the Rio value quotient over the Yaris, eh? Now's the time to do that, not after you purchase a Toyota and wish you had certain feautures.   That Rio5 is very, very nice. Replies to this message: b3nut (Apr 18, 2006 11:01 am) alex2d2 (May 03, 2006 9:36 am)

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