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#61 of 225 Re: Car and Driver [mirth] by drewmeister Mar 31, 2006 (2:57 pm)
Replying to: mirth (Mar 27, 2006 9:12 am) Mirth, I read that comparo. What I was disappointed with was the finish placing of the Caliber. I was hoping it would do better, as I like it's styling and LOVE the price point. However, if I was to consider it, I'd hold out for the Jeep version. I drive a Wrangler now, which is like admitting insanity, but I'm considering a small car for commuting duty. Love the ipod idea, and the stereo options look very good (haven't seen one outside of the auto show yet). My next choice in this range would be a Versa, or a Fit. We've put 85k on a Focus, and it's lost a fuel pump so far as for big issues, but every single thing on the car rattles, including stuff in the doors, and the electrics do weird stuff (interior dome light quit, bulb's fine, don't want to bother chasing the wiring), so no more Fords. Not too bad a car though, for the 8k I paid for it secondhand.
#62 of 225 See what I mean about by iluvmysephia1 Mar 31, 2006 (3:12 pm)
Ford and it's electrical/wiring/bulb issues? My Escorts weren't that bad but my '65 Mustang was an electrical nightmare. Love the body styling, peeved by the electricals on that car.   Looking at the Yaris S sedan this morning I must say the bodykit "fits" the subcompact look of the car. So I am most interested in the Yaris "Base" sedan but won't nix all Yaris "S" sedan possibilities to look at, just for fun, of course.
#63 of 225 My Escort ZX2 was great electrically by b3nut Mar 31, 2006 (8:11 pm)
and mechanically as well, aside from the timing belt that went because I didn't change it at 120K like I was supposed to. Godd thing that Zetec 2.0 was a freewheeler and not interference...   Of course, it was a Mazda Protege-platform car, but still.   Todd in Beerbratistan
#64 of 225 Whatever the case, by boaz47 Apr 01, 2006 (9:20 am)
Until we get a chance to see how these vehicles hold up you almost have to bet on Honda. They have had the best small engines for some time. I don't care much for their attempts at bigger vehicles, the Ridgeline doesn't impress me at all but in small cars they are hard to fault.   And yes, timing belt problems with a free wheeler are a lot easier on you than things like the old double overhead cam in my old 124 spyder. Replies to this message: drewmeister (Apr 11, 2006 8:37 am)
#65 of 225 Econobox for fun by tomsr1 Apr 02, 2006 (9:06 am)
As an aging boomer I want some fun in my drive.I drove my son's Focus ZX3 5spd and it was a hoot but interior quality sucks.Which Asian mark would be more fun?Mid range torque makes for fun but some engines don't have it. I noticed the Caliber engine is a high revver and most Honda engines have to be wound up tight.As far as style I don't know if spaceship looks will sell.The Caliber has that beefy American look.For reliability you have to go with Toyota and Honda but is that all there is to it? Replies to this message: robertsmx (Apr 03, 2006 6:30 am)
#66 of 225 Re: Econobox for fun [tomsr1] by robertsmx Apr 03, 2006 (6:30 am)
Replying to: tomsr1 (Apr 02, 2006 9:06 am) For reliability you have to go with Toyota and Honda but is that all there is to it?   Add to it, fuel economy which can be included in long term ownership costs, and flexibility (hatchback market is about utility, for flexibility there will help), and of course, refinement.
#67 of 225 all these cars by nippononly Apr 03, 2006 (9:19 am)
have continuously variable valve timing, I believe. I know the Yaris and Fit do. Equipped that way, none of them will be super high revvers, and will have a fairly broad torque plateau that begins down low. One of the recent reviews of the Fit noted the Fit's "low" 6500-rpm redline.
#68 of 225 Fit's Engine by robertsmx Apr 03, 2006 (9:52 am)
In case of Fit, peak power arrives relatively early (5800 rpm)... some trucks these days don't see their peak power until about 6000 rpm.   Fit's engine is said to be derived from a family of i-DSI (dual sequential ignition, with two spark plugs per cylinder) unit that Fit gets in Japanese and European versions as the base engine. And those engines are designed to perform at lower rpm. The L15 in the North American Fit, however, is a VTECized version, it still isn't a high revving design, and in fact, not one of the latest engines from Honda either.
#69 of 225 Re: Whatever the case, [boaz47] by drewmeister Apr 11, 2006 (8:37 am)
Replying to: boaz47 (Apr 01, 2006 9:20 am) Yeah, it's hard to argue that C&D's test observed the Fit at the best performance AND the second best observed fuel economy (though at 35 to first places' 36, it's within margin of error).   In looking at them online, I like the Versa's styling and interior better. Also, it received better marks for ride.   My wife said the same about all the Honda's we tried at the auto show. Anything larger seemed to be one big expanse of plastic (CR-V, Pilot, etc.). The Civic and Accord don't quite seem that way. Kind of a deal breaker for her.
#70 of 225 drewmeister by boaz47 Apr 15, 2006 (7:05 am)
I have owned a lot of cars and I have had one made by just about every country and manufacturer. I tend to lump them altogether at times which may or may not be fair to the car or manufacturer. But in small cars Honda has always impressed me. Small engines are their Forte from cars to motorcycles to power equipment. when looking at a new product to our shores it is hard to go against the experience Honda brings to the table.   That is not to say I haven't bought other small cars. Sometimes the execution of a particular car gets to me and the car wins a place in my heart. But in this case with the cars mentioned I would put Honda on top of my list until enough time has passed to convince me the others might be as good or better at what they are designed to do in this class as a Honda. Cars have to be pretty ugly to keep me from at least trying them out so any of these three are worth looking at. I'm just not at the point in life where cars this small meet my life style.

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