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#49 of 225 Re: Car and Driver [mirth] by b3nut Mar 27, 2006 (9:32 am)
Replying to: mirth (Mar 27, 2006 9:12 am) They've been giving the new Kia range good reviews of late, they used to pan Kia at every turn (though to be fair, it wasn't long ago that Kia was making some overall miserable vehicles, despite the occasional gem...the old Sportage had a poor reliability record although some Sportage owners got solid ones). Their initial review of the redesigned Rio was quite positive, and it's interesting to see them place it ahead of the Toyota Yaris. I can see the Fit grabbing 1st, even with its non-user-replaceable radio (I hate carmakers that pull that crooked stunt!) The Fit is a splendid little car, I wanted to drive one but ended up needing to replace my old car quickly. Can't say I'm impressed with the Versa, but that's purely aesthetic (I think the Scion xB is better looking, frankly, if you're going to do ugly, do it right!) It should prove to be a solid little vehicle, given Nissan's track record with small cars. I am happy to see my little Rio place in the top three, that's a pretty good achievement.   Going to have to find that one on the newsstands...did the xA place in that comparo? It's not on C&D's website yet.   Todd in Beerbratistan Replies to this message: robertsmx (Mar 27, 2006 10:46 am)
#51 of 225 Popular Mechanics [b3nut] by robertsmx Mar 27, 2006 (10:46 am)
Replying to: b3nut (Mar 27, 2006 9:32 am) Rio5 didn't do so well in another comparison test (by Popular Mechanics) that involved Fit, Versa and Yaris...   "Unanimously, we all gravitated toward the Honda Fit time and time again because it’s the most fun to drive and has the most inviting ergonomics. The Kia Rio5, on the other hand, best represents what this inexpensive market segment of cars used to be: crude." (Link).   Those two (Fit and Rio5) represented the extremes, with Versa and Yaris fitting in between.   The one thing that is consistent between these two comparison tests (PM and CD) is Fit finishing on top, followed by Versa. While Yaris and Rio5 have gone head to head for third.
#52 of 225 Yaris by nippononly Mar 27, 2006 (1:03 pm)
keeps coming up in the reviews as the car that does everything decently, but nothing really well. The uninspiring but reliable choice.   It is not hard for me to believe that the Fit will be the driver's car of the bunch, and well-equipped but pricey for the segment.   I like that the Versa got a 6-speed manual, but can't believe how high it still revs on the highway - why didn't they give it a nice tall gear for the highway, what with six to choose from? Replies to this message: robertsmx (Mar 27, 2006 1:07 pm)
#53 of 225 Re: Yaris [nippononly] by robertsmx Mar 27, 2006 (1:07 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Mar 27, 2006 1:03 pm) It is not hard for me to believe that the Fit will be the driver's car of the bunch, and well-equipped but pricey for the segment.   Pricey, only if the competing models are stripped. Check out the Popular Mechanics comparo, Rio5 carries a price tag of $14,500, that is more than Fit's $13,850.
#54 of 225 yeah by nippononly Mar 27, 2006 (1:13 pm)
The Yaris actually has the potential to be the price leader in this segment, and when was the last time that was true of a Toyota?   Of course, the way it does that is by deleting all the convenience features people love that come standard in the Hyun/Kias and the Honda, as well as all the safety equipment (ABS, airbags).   When all are comparably equipped to the base Fit, I would imagine the Aveo retains its title of value leader, even the '07. Replies to this message: robertsmx (Mar 27, 2006 1:20 pm)
#55 of 225 Re: yeah [nippononly] by robertsmx Mar 27, 2006 (1:20 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Mar 27, 2006 1:13 pm) Toyota isn't going to beat Aveo... so it would be status quo since Echo. The real question is, how many of those Yaris's sold/available would be down to barebones trims?   Toyota usually offers a very low base price but then options (and sometimes necessary) packages take over.
#56 of 225 robert by nippononly Mar 27, 2006 (4:28 pm)
in what I would take as a VERY encouraging sign, most of the early delivery Yarii so far are unoptioned cars. I have seen both sedans now, the base and the S, and most have had no options at all except floor mats, while one had the power package and was just shy of $15K. The car I test drove was an 'S' with no options at all except the mats, sticker of $13,9.   Meanwhile, I have seen on-line inventory of the hatch with only the convenience package, with a sticker of $12,3-13,1. I haven't yet eyeballed any, as the local dealers haven't taken delivery on any of those yet.   I have been very surprised, as it is usually Toyota's habit to load to the gills the first few cars of a new model to arrive, adduing every conceivable option and package. But not this time. And not with the '07 Camry redesign either, BTW. It has been a very pleasant surprise.   If Toyota builds the bulk of the Yarii with a sticker under $14K, I think it will sell very well, as it will basically beat all the rest of the gang except the Aveo on price.
#57 of 225 nippononly... by iluvmysephia1 Mar 27, 2006 (5:12 pm)
did you say you test drove the new Toyota Yaris 4-door sedan? I may give the sedan a test drive. I optioned one how I would like on the dealer's website that also sells Scion's (Teton Toyota of Idaho Falls)and it came to only $14,415. The Kia Rio5 comes to $14,110 and the Scion xA with several bells and whistles that I would really enjoy comes to only $14,195. To this guy those are all very good and very competitive prices.   If I still like the 2007 Toyota Yaris 4-door sedan after test driving it it is so nicely priced that I may add it to my futures list. The latest entry to it. I have decided that it's styling is kind of interesting and it would take a horrid test drive of it to delete it off of my futures list.   More on this later, dudes.
#58 of 225 iluv by nippononly Mar 28, 2006 (7:28 am)
I most certainly did. It is a good drive, less peppy than my Echo because it is a couple hundred pounds heavier with the same engine (and the same engine as the xA, BTW, which weighs another 100 pounds more than the Yaris), but never wanting for power. It has a substantial feel for such a small car, and no longer has pinky-light power steering like my Echo, but rather has steering with some heft and road feel to it.   Better seat cloth and headliner this time around too, and the clock is standard as are manual remote outside mirrors, some trims get a tach, and sedans get driver's seat height adjustment. Considering this car is basically the same price as the Echo, I think it is a heck of a bargain. Just look out for the stupid cupholder design and tell me what you think!

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