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#160 of 225 Re: Crashes [smc_13] by logic1 Jun 15, 2006 (1:56 pm)
Replying to: smc_13 (Jun 14, 2006 6:23 am) "78% of the people who died in single-vehicle rollover crashes were not using a seatbelt, and 64% were partially or completely ejected from the vehicle."   Yeah, in High School I rolled an old VW Beetle off roading. I was not wearing a seat belt and was ejected. Somehow I landed on my feet and managed to stand there watching my car slide away from me.   You roll, you get ejected, the car or some debris hits you, or you hit your head on the ground, then it is over.   Even though I got lucky, the fear was in me. I've worn seat belts ever since.
#161 of 225 Re: Something a little more substantial [johnnyvj] by tsgeisel Jun 15, 2006 (5:46 pm)
Replying to: johnnyvj (Jun 15, 2006 10:25 am) Try and find an Elantra 5-door, then. You get the hatchback, but you also get easy entry into the back seat. And it's a *lot* quieter than the sub-compact equivilant.   And when the new version of the Accent comes out, with it's wagon-like design, you may start saying Honda What?   (Ok...maybe not.) Replies to this message: b3nut (Jun 16, 2006 5:59 am) johnnyvj (Jun 16, 2006 8:45 am) perna (Jun 16, 2006 8:49 am) tsgeisel (Jun 16, 2006 1:03 pm) johnnyvj (Jun 16, 2006 1:27 pm) and 1 more...
#162 of 225 Re: Something a little more substantial [tsgeisel] by b3nut Jun 16, 2006 (5:59 am)
Replying to: tsgeisel (Jun 15, 2006 5:46 pm) The new Accent's best guise is the Kia Rio5 hatch (same chassis/drivetrain, sportier suspension tuning). The 3-door Accent hatch is cute, but the Rio5 is handier with the 4-doors and more cargo room. Same mechanicals under the hood. I really like my Rio5...I've been racking up miles like they're going out of style and it's been a peach. Sure is handy having the hatchback...and its jaunty good looks don't hurt either.   Todd in Beerbratistan
#163 of 225 Re: Something a little more substantial [tsgeisel] by johnnyvj Jun 16, 2006 (8:45 am)
Replying to: tsgeisel (Jun 15, 2006 5:46 pm) And when the new version of the Accent comes out, with it's wagon-like design, you may start saying Honda What?    (Ok...maybe not.)   LOL. Good one.   I have nothing against Hyundai, actually. They probably do deserve an award for 'Most Improved' car company over the past 5 years or so. I remember when their cars were considered something of a joke (almost like an Asian Yugo), and now they are definitely competitive. Kudos to Hyundai on that.   That said, they are a good long way from making anyone say 'Honda What'? For example, in that econocar comparo in Car and Driver, the Fit smoked the field, and there was both a Hyundai AND a Kia in it. I think only the Versa even came close.   There was a Lee Iacocca interview I remember reading back in the day, and in it he mentioned something about how Chrysler had done a very in-depth, exhaustive analysis of all of its competitors, and ranked them on how good their cars were. Toyota came in number two (of everyone, including Chrysler), and, you guessed it, Honda was number one. To my continuing astonishment, it doesn't seem like much has changed since then.   That's a real testament to just how good Honda is. They're not only the best, they've been the best for a very, very long time in one of the most brutally competitive industries on the planet. And I say this as someone who really wishes an American car company would step up and kick a great deal of ass, especially in the passenger car segment. Replies to this message: perna (Jun 16, 2006 8:49 am) tsgeisel (Jun 16, 2006 1:03 pm) johnnyvj (Jun 16, 2006 1:27 pm) tsgeisel (Jun 19, 2006 5:56 pm)
#164 of 225 Re: Something a little more substantial [johnnyvj] by perna Jun 16, 2006 (8:49 am)
Replying to: johnnyvj (Jun 16, 2006 8:45 am) And I say this as someone who really wishes an American car company would step up and kick a great deal of ass, especially in the passenger car segment.   It's coming. Not as soon as we'd hope, but it's certainly coming. That, or they'll die - it's pretty simple. The SUV gravy train is over.
#165 of 225 Re: Something a little more substantial [johnnyvj] by tsgeisel Jun 16, 2006 (1:03 pm)
Replying to: johnnyvj (Jun 16, 2006 8:45 am) Well, when I went searching for the replacement for my '96 Civic Hatch, I really did want to get a new Civic to replace it. But I found the new design to be, well, ugly. That and the fact is that until the Fit came out (a couple of weeks after I got my new car), they didn't have a hatchback at all, which was one of my requirements.   And a Fit is still more expensive than an Elantra, for a smaller car.   Honda may be a great company, but they abandonded me, and lost my business.   And, for the price, I still say that the Elantra qualifies as a slightly more substantial entry-level car.   But I appear to have digressed... Replies to this message: johnnyvj (Jun 16, 2006 1:27 pm) tsgeisel (Jun 19, 2006 5:56 pm)
#166 of 225 Re: Something a little more substantial [tsgeisel] by johnnyvj Jun 16, 2006 (1:27 pm)
Replying to: tsgeisel (Jun 16, 2006 1:03 pm) The new Elantra looks fairly impressive, if the previews are accurate (the car itself doesn't show up 'till fall). But diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks... the '07 Elantra didn't even make my short list, because its size (big compact/small mid-size), an advantage to you, is actually a disadvantage to me, since it means it won't match the Fit in fuel economy.   Additionally, it just doesn't have the Fit's interior versatility. I also would think it won't match the Fit's handling either.   But, if I was looking for a good value compact sedan, the '07 Elantra might be something I'd check out. I especially like its emphasis on safety, and the styling has improved as well. That said, there have been some awfully tempting deals on the Accord VP of late...   Replies to this message: tsgeisel (Jun 19, 2006 5:56 pm)
#167 of 225 Re: Something a little more substantial [johnnyvj] by tsgeisel Jun 19, 2006 (5:56 pm)
Replying to: johnnyvj (Jun 16, 2006 1:27 pm) Well, I went with the '06 (well, '05 actually) hatchback.   And, no, I'm not getting the Fit's presumed fuel economy, but 3k miles in, I'm matching what I was getting out of my '96 Civic, in a larger, smoother car.   There will, reportedly be a hatch version, but not immediately, and thank goodness, because otherwise I might really be feeling some buyers remorse...   And, yeah, it's not as budget-conscious as an Accent, but it is about the same as a Fit, or a loaded Yaris.
#168 of 225 How bout SMART by rockylee Jun 28, 2006 (2:27 am)
Smart hopes to override SUVs in U.S.   DaimlerChrysler will introduce car in 2008, expecting high gas prices, fears of global warming.   http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/AUTO01/606280357/1148   "Oh god the sky is falling"   Rocky Replies to this message: qbrozen (Jun 28, 2006 5:43 am) rockylee (Jun 28, 2006 5:45 am)
#169 of 225 Re: How bout SMART [rockylee] by qbrozen Jun 28, 2006 (5:43 am)
Replying to: rockylee (Jun 28, 2006 2:27 am) I think the 2-seater is a mistake. 4 seats would be much more appealing to a larger slice of the market. All they need to do is look at how the Insight sold. Replies to this message: rockylee (Jun 28, 2006 5:45 am)

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