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BMW 5 Series, Car Buying, Sedan
#23 of 400 Re: Too expensive to own? [dngary]
Dec 26, 2006 (2:09 pm)
I tend to research any purchase in great detail.
So do I
As you can surmise, I am a little hesitant, not so much because the 5 series isn't a wonderful car, but partly because it seems so spartan in comparison with other cars in the same price range.
I think you will find that BMW places a great deal of emphasis on the overall driving experience; a BMW embodies a lot of impressive engineering- but most of it is under the skin.
Even the radio in my Buick sounds better.
I've never been too impressed with the sound systems in the newer BMWs. As a matter of fact, very few of them sound as good as the OEM system in my 1995 318ti track rat. Go figure. Does the 5er you are considering have the Logic7 upgrade? It supposedly sounds pretty decent.
On another note, what do you think of the "dreaded" I Drive control?
I drove a 645Ci with iDrive for a couple of weeks last summer, and after a few days I became pretty adept at using it. Some people love it, others hate it. I think it is a flawed interface, but it wouldn't keep me from buying a BMW I really liked.
Going back to your original post, there is some things that I think you should know about how BMW are serviced. In most cases, the best way to keep maintenance costs reasonable is to find a GOOD independent BMW tech; you will save 25%-50% on service compared to the dealer. That said, there are some excellent dealers that offer excellent service at reasonable prices. All modern BMWs use a Service Interval Indicator to inform the driver when routine maintenance is required. On a 2004 5er an Oil Service will be called for at 15,000 miles. To be honest, I don't like to run oil that long, so I perform an oil change at 7,500 miles. I also use Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic, which I prefer to the BMW-branded Castrol synthetic. It's a VERY easy DIY procedure and it costs me less than $45. The minor service(Inspection I) will come up at 30,000 miles and the major service(Inspection II) at 60,000 miles. An Oil Service will cost $60-$150, an Inspection I $150-$300, and an Inspection II $450-$800. Coolant must be changed every three years(using BMW Coolant ONLY), while the DOT4 brake fluid gets flushed every two years. BMW also calls for changing the ATF at 100,000 miles, although I would have the procedure performed every 50,000 miles- and I'd have the differential oil changed at the same time.
Finally, join the BMW Car Club of America. Many dealers and independent shops offer CCA members 10%-25% discounts on parts and/or labor.
Please let me know when I'm getting on your nerves with all these questions. I especially do not want to spoil the holiday season for you!
Ask away! It is not a problem!
#24 of 400 540i 2001-2003
Jan 07, 2007 (10:56 pm)
Ok Bimerfiles, looking at purchasing a 540i 2001-2003 with the sport package and 6MT. Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions also anything to look for on these cars?
Debating between an 05/06 GTO and an 01/03 540i
#25 of 400 Re: Too expensive to own? [div2]
Jan 11, 2007 (12:54 pm)
Hi, I'm also perusing this site to find out about the reality/myths of how well BMWs hold up - particularly post-2000 3 & 5-series'. Your comment, "Finally, I ran a 1997 528iA to over 130K miles and my service and repair costs averaged $90 per month" doesn't sound too encouraging to me. $90/month = $1,080/year.
#26 of 400 Re: Too expensive to own? [taxesquire]
Jan 11, 2007 (2:08 pm)
Is it bad form to reply to my own post? I reread your post to make usre I understood it correctly, and I guess $90/mo is fine considering it's an older car with (presumably) no finance payments being made. Still, $1,000/yr on repairs is pretty significant.
#27 of 400 Re: 540i 2001-2003 [paisan]
Jan 19, 2007 (3:16 pm)
Comparing a 540 against GTO (Pontiac?) is like comparing Apples and Oranges.
BMW - The ultimate driving machine, will put a smile on your face everytime you sit behind the steering wheel.
The GTO - a kid's car.
Assuming you get a Bimmer in good condition, this car will have a higher resale value and will last longer than the GTO.
Then again, I might be biased. I do own a 2003 540 with the Sports Package.
#28 of 400 Re: 540i 2001-2003 [dbcafy]
Jan 19, 2007 (5:52 pm)
Actually the GTO demographic is 28-45.
Heck the BMW 540i 2001-2003 is more expensive used than a new GTO. Biggest thing I'm worried about is out-warranty repairs, I hear on BMWs they can be quite costly.
#29 of 400 2004 / 2005 BMW 545i - happy?
Jan 20, 2007 (2:58 pm)
Wanted to know if anyone can share their ownership experiences with this vehicle, am considering to purchase. Thks.
#30 of 400 Re: 2004 / 2005 BMW 545i - happy? [tdb99]
Jan 25, 2007 (1:10 pm)
I just bought a 2003 540I M sport with steptronic. It's the most amazing car I have ever driven, Black on Black with everthing from PDC to NAV and DSP stereo. I researched it intensley and I found BMW keeps great records.
First I suggest CAFFAXing it, its $25 for a month long membership to run VINs, then contact BMW USA customer service, # is on the website. They will give you the selling dealership and you can confirm options on the vehicle to make sure nothing was altered. Then call the service dept of the original dealer, explain you are going to buy a used vehicle and BMW gave you the info, anytime the vehicle was serviced at any dealership a code is entered. The service tech ran through every code with me to make sure the vehicle was clean. I even found out it had the CPO & maintaince till 100K.
#31 of 400 Re: 2004 / 2005 BMW 545i - happy? [natedog03]
Jan 25, 2007 (1:15 pm)
Just to add...... the most expensive service on the 01-03 5 series will be the SL2 60K mile service about $400 for the V6, $700 V8 you can shop around for BMW dealer specials and before 100K, you'll need a brake job, between $600 and $1200, depending your sport package options, size, etc. But if you get the maintaince done as scheduled, the driving experience outweighs the cost.
#32 of 400 Re: 2004 / 2005 BMW 545i - happy? [natedog03]
Jan 25, 2007 (1:57 pm)
Last time I checked, BMW has never built a V6 engine. V8s? Yes, absolutely. I6s? Yes, and have for MANY years. V6s? Not yet, and hopefully never will.
Regarding the other items of maintenance that you listed, the E39 530i and 540i have the same brakes, and so I can tell you first hand that they are a piece of cake to do yourself. I did mine with new pads, rotors and sensors, and the whole thing cost me just over $260 for all four wheels. Said another way, these brakes are so easy to do that I can do the job quicker in my driveway than the time it would take to drive to my dealership and back.