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2006 Freestyle lots of problems by jrmust
Sep 10, 2008 (11:53 am)
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The latest fix was a mass air flow sensor. The dealer had the car over 30 days and I had it back 8 days and it was cutting off again. It's been back at the dealer now for over a week. We all know there is a problem, but no-one seems to know what is causing it or how to fix it. The Ford tech reps have been called to help with the issue. I hoping it gets fixed before the change in the weather. Once it cools off, I generally don't have the issue. Only in over 90 degree days.
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fuel pump problems by godsmyt
Sep 12, 2008 (5:44 pm)
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I'm new to this site and have had a lot of interesting reading. I have a 2007 freestyle fwd sel. Recently, my gas gauge started dropping like a rock to empty from just above a 1/4 of a tank. Last time this happened I knew I should have about 5 gallons of gas so did not fill up. Nice surprise when my car would not start the next morning. The dealership is telling me that these cars have 2 fuel pumps that are supposed to keep the gas level on 2 different sides of the gas tank (hump in middle of floor board created 2 sides on the tank). Apparently, my aren't communicating so my car has gas on one side of the tank that the engine can't utilize. Anyone else had this problem? I also recently replaced the back brake shoes at about 34000 miles. I have 1500 miles left on the warranty. Anything else I need to be aware of?
Thanks
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Re: 2006 Freestyle lots of problems [jrmust] by leo44
Sep 15, 2008 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: jrmust (Sep 10, 2008 11:53 am)

jr please keep me posted, same issues w/ mine first they said mass air flow needed cleaning, then they said gas cap, now they cant seem to find anything and are sending it back 2 us. this is getting really stupid
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Re: 2006 Freestyle lots of problems [leo44] by coldcranker
Sep 16, 2008 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: leo44 (Sep 15, 2008 10:31 am)

leo44 (and maybe others with similar problem): Did the mechanic replace the Accelerator Pedal's Sensor Assembly, part number 9N792 (for those that have it, thats in Freestyle Workshop Manual Section 310-02-2)?
 
Its probably the same part they use in the '05 Mustang, and the part is pictured on Acclerator Pedal workshop manual diagram
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Re: fuel pump problems [godsmyt] by coldcranker
Sep 16, 2008 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: godsmyt (Sep 12, 2008 5:44 pm)

About the fuel pump problems, I was wondering if anyone knows of any other make/model of car/truck that has the dual fuel pump?
I've never heard of this configuration. I have a Workshop Manual and looked it up after reading godsymyt's post in here. Actually, the way it is arranged is that one side of the gas tank has a fuel pump that only pumps to the other side, where the second fuel pump gets the fuel to the engine. What the heck? There is also a separate fuel level sensor in each half of the fuel tank. I guess they did it this odd way to accomodate the AWD model's driveshaft back there. So we who have the 2WD version of the Freestyle really got the shaft on this one. I'd like to install a low cross-feed tube to gravity-equalize the two sides, but I guess that would be messy, although I could do it since a driveshaft isn't back there in the way.
 
The least the engineers at Ford could have done was set up a parallel fuel feed circuit so either pump can get fuel to the engine, with both of them bleeding a little to the other side of the tank, instead of one dedicated side solely feeding the engine. That way you'd have dual redundancy, as in airplanes. Those bums.
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Throttle Body TSB Tech Service Bulletin old Re: Lots of problems [ekraft90] by coldcranker
Sep 16, 2008 (6:39 am)
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Replying to: ekraft90 (Jul 14, 2008 4:47 pm)

Ford has known its had major throttle body issues on the Freestyle/500/Montego, and maybe others, for a long time now. They issued a TSB (tech service bulletin) early in the Freestyle manufacturing run. A TSB means that Ford has seen too many failures of this part and is alerting technicians to the problem:
 
Copy of TSB:
 
 The part "5F9Z-9E926-AA Throttle Body" is over $200.
 
There was a Technical Service Bulletin TSB that your dealership should be made aware of (tell the dealership to look up TSB 05-25-13 or just print out the following):
 
TSB
05-25-13 MIL ON WITH VARIOUS DTCS
 
Publication Date: December 13, 2005
 
FORD: 2005 Five Hundred, Freestyle
MERCURY: 2005 Montego
 
ISSUE:
Some 2005 Five Hundred, Freestyle, or Montego vehicles built on or before 3/9/2005 may exhibit the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on, with any or all of the following diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs): P0068, P0121, P0221, P0222, P0223, P1120, P1121, P1124, P1125, P2100, P2101, P2106, P2107, P2111, P2112, P2135.
 
ACTION:
Perform normal diagnostics. If normal diagnostics lead to an electronic throttle body (ETB) replacement, refer to the following Service Procedure.
 
SERVICE PROCEDURE
 
Replace the throttle body referring to Workshop Manual Section 303-04, and reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) to the latest calibration using WDS release B40.4 and higher or B41.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the B41 CD. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraft.com.
 
PART NUMBER PART NAME
5F9Z-9E926-AA Throttle Body
 
WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
 
DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
9E926 42
 
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NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.
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Re: 2006 Freestyle lots of problems [coldcranker] by leo44
Sep 16, 2008 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Sep 16, 2008 6:02 am)

no, they cleaned the mass air flow sensor, and then when light came on they said it was the gas cap. third time they advised they could not duplicate the problem and could not fix what they did not know. when it does it again or before hand we will be using another dealership for repairs. i understand where they are comming from but surely they know about issues in these models any advice is welcome
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Lemon Laws invoked?...Re: 2006 Freestyle lots of problems [jrmust] by coldcranker
Sep 16, 2008 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: jrmust (Sep 10, 2008 11:53 am)

At a certain point, I'd think you could invoke the Lemon Laws in your state (assuming U.S.A; don't know about other places). They vary by state. With the Lemon Laws, Ford buys your vehicle at the retail used car price. After replacing a bunch of sensors and parts over much time, I would think you could do that.
If you have any luck with Lemon Laws, then let me know. Google it and put in your state, or call the Better Business Bureau and they can direct you.
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fuel tank issues by godsmyt
Sep 16, 2008 (8:44 am)
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The dealership has advised me that they are replacing a wiring harness to take care of the problem between dispersing fuel between the two tanks. Does this make any sense when looking at the diagram?
Thanks,
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Re: fuel tank issues [godsmyt] by coldcranker
Sep 16, 2008 (7:37 pm)
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Replying to: godsmyt (Sep 16, 2008 8:44 am)

There is a part # 14A007 electrical connnector attached to the transfer fuel pump, and a 14A464 electrical connector on the main fuel pump. They are probably replacing one or both of those. It is possible they are right about doing this. Interestingly, to pull those connectors and wiring, they have to remove a fuel tank shield cover under the 2nd row seats and actually pull up the fuel pumps from inside the vehicle. (On most cars I think you put the vehicle on a lift and drop the gas tank down, but not ours.) Sounds like a 1-hour labor charge (not sure).

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