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#39 of 58 No doubt... by iluvmysephia1 Dec 14, 2006 (4:28 pm)
I would bet it will be more like 0-60 in 9.5 seconds or something like that. With the base model Hornet with the 1.6L 4 cyl."Tritec" motor.   Well, what better car to start out the Chinese car manufacturing craze than the Dodge Hornet? Really, it is going to be interesting to see the response of American consumers if it is built in China.   If it turns out successful it could help pave the way for capable Chinese cars coming to America from China. Easier said than done, yes.
#40 of 58 I suppose by nippononly Jan 04, 2007 (5:54 pm)
by now everyone has heard that DCX has signed an agreement with Chery Automobiles of China to build a new small car for them? They SAY it isn't the Hornet, but c'mon DCX! What OTHER small cars do you have in the works for the NA market??!!   So who here would buy a Chinese-built Hornet? Replies to this message: unoengr (Jan 04, 2007 9:03 pm) unoengr (Jan 04, 2007 9:16 pm)
#41 of 58 Power/Gas Mileage concerns by unoengr Jan 04, 2007 (9:03 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jan 04, 2007 5:54 pm) For those of you questioning the approximate 0-60mph in 6.7 seconds, it is a real number in the MINI Cooper S (MCS). The MCS has a curb weight of 2679lbs. The supercharged 1.6L (same one proposed for the Hornet) propels it very quickly. I've driven a Mustang V6, before the bump in power in 2005, and I know the MCS will outrun it. I wouldn't hesitate to take on the newer Mustang V6 with its 210hp and 240lbs of torque. The Mustang has an extra 800lbs against it. Besides, it's not all about hp and torque. Proper gearing helps. I've always been amazed at how slow the Mustang V6 is. Seems like it should be faster.   Having said that, the Hornet's weight is expected to be about 500lbs more than the MINI. If Chrysler gets the gearing right, and maybe sheds a few pounds, the supercharged version of the Hornet will be more than enough for most folks. Add a sport muffler, reduced supercharger pulley, a better cold air intake, and a ECU remap (about $2k altogether) and the Hornet will be p*ssing off, or should I say buzzing past, a lot of bigger sports cars.   I get about 25/30 mpg in my MCS and my foot is always in the gas. Just can't help it. As others have said, the supercharged 1.6L begs to be driven. I was suprised to find out it was designed/co-design? by Chrysler. It has a reputation for being "bulletproof".
#42 of 58 Re: I suppose [nippononly] by unoengr Jan 04, 2007 (9:16 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jan 04, 2007 5:54 pm) By the way, I don't know if I could buy a car built by the Chinese. I do like the Hornet, and given its proposed 1.6L Tritec and 6 speed Getrag tranny, I think it will be reliable as far as not leaving you stranded. I would question the build quality of the rest of it (I'm a disgruntled ex-Jeep Liberty owner).   I do get tired of the effort it takes to put my 2 year old in his car seat with my MINI Cooper S. From what I see of the Hornet, the backseat leg room and back doors would make life as a parent easier. Not to mention my fat brother-in-law would actually be able to get in the back.   And I do like the Hornet's looks. That is one thing about Chrysler, they know how to make a good-looking car.
#43 of 58 Daimler-Chrysler Determined to Ruin Own Reputation by unoengr Jan 05, 2007 (12:43 pm)
I did a little research on Chinese built cars. Read this article http://www.motorauthority.com/news/industry/three-out-of-four-chinese-cars-have-- defects/   Claims are that 3 out of every 4 Chinese cars have defects. For every 100 sold (in first 9 months), 338 defects reported. That's UP from 246 defects per 100 sold. The global average is 124 defects per 100 cars built.   Daimler-Chrysler must not listen to its engineers. Bean-counters must control the quality check process. "Who cares about the defects, increase the bottom line."   The Dodge Hornet, if built by the Chinese, will be a dismal failure. Even if the Chinese decrease the defects over a 4 year period, the first impression will ruin its reputation so badly the Hornet will never recover.   That's sad to say. I love the concept. No way in Hell would I buy it if made by the Chinese.
#44 of 58 Well... by iluvmysephia1 Jan 09, 2007 (10:11 pm)
as far as buying a new Dodge Hornet built by Chery Motors of China...I would say this. If Dodge offers a great Warranty on the powertrain and a good bumper-to bumper Warranty and pledges to back it up, it would help matters a whole bunch with me. Also, if early test drive reports show the car to have average acceleration and pretty good pep, good steering tracking at different speeds and road surfaces, and the Hornet is priced competively aggainst Scion, Kia and Suzuki, I would give it a serious look.   As far as being afraid of trying a Chinese-built car, I'd say get over it and try them. It's a free market economy and I know Dodge will be watching quality very closely on this car.   Same thing Bricklin was going to have to tackle(quality issues)but was shown the door by Chery, kinda sorta. I have read that the Chinese carmakers are roughly about as good as the domestic makers as far as quality goes, right now. I don't know if I believe that comment but I know that both the domestics and the Koreans and the Chinese all have to keep improving their quality control. They know they have to...I think Dodge engineering will need to be vigilant with it. Very vigilant. It is a hard one to call, whether or not to buy a Chinese-built Hornet, oh yes it is. I would totally understand it if someone didn't trust Chery enough to build a solid Dodge Hornet right off the bat.   I gave Kia a try in 1999 when a lot of people didn't trust them and it worked out just fine with me. I am still enjoying a Kia product with my '01 Sportage 4x4. It has been said that the Chinese are learning and growing very quickly as automakers. Indeed, not an easy call to make. But I am open to it.
#45 of 58 iluv by nippononly Jan 10, 2007 (7:04 am)
You trust DODGE to watch the quality carefully?? These ARE the people who built and sold the Neon, you know. Warranty will be key. Loooooong warranty! Replies to this message: ethan8 (Jan 11, 2007 11:11 am) darthclutch (Feb 11, 2007 4:14 am)
#46 of 58 Re: iluv [nippononly] by ethan8 Jan 11, 2007 (11:11 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Jan 10, 2007 7:04 am) I wouldn't buy one for the first few years. I would wait and see what the quality is like. I'll let someone else go through the pain of ownership. I was one of the poor saps that bought a Neon in 1995. I'm still sour from that.
#47 of 58 No, that's why I worded it the way by iluvmysephia1 Jan 11, 2007 (9:57 pm)
I did. "Tough call to make", etc. I know it is going to take a giant leap of faith for many.   One thing about that is that I've already been there and done that with Kia and Kia is doing great. A lot of the criticism against Kia and Hyundai has been goofy, paranoia-type things that don't have merit. I have loved both of my Kia's and might just get a third new Kia in a row. So taking a leap of faith on a Hornet built by Chery would be something I would at least think about.   I don't think Dodge will offer me a Warranty I would like and that would kill a deal for a new Hornet for me right away.
#48 of 58 Re: nippon... [iluvmysephia1] by twain Jan 15, 2007 (9:49 pm)
Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 13, 2006 9:20 pm) Why not use the 1.8 or the 2.0 that is currently available in the Caliber? That should be peppy enough with decent economy.   Mainly i hope they leave the styling alone, especially the rear doors. That sets it apart from the mini.

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