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Volkswagen Passat, Sedan, Wagon
Oct 19, 2008 (8:33 pm)
Call the dealership in Eau Claire Wisconsin. The VW dealership where I had the warranty work done on my 2001 Passat. Ask for the service manager. They honored the fact that I used Amsoil 5W-40 European Car formula, every 3,000.
Now Pat you must have been reading my posts, because you have been censoring them. You know that this is what I have been telling you and everyone else, Just because the oil is not on the list of " ... generally available oils ..." does not mean that the list is a complete list of approved oils. Call the VW dealership, any VW dealership and see for yourself.
Call the VW dealership in Columbus, Ohio Byers.
Call the VW dealership in Appleton Wisconsin.
#249 of 292 Re: [drotse]
Oct 20, 2008 (5:56 am)
I thought you mentioned that the VW official website tells us about this - I was just asking if you could link us to that page.
By the way, if you want to discuss "censoring" feel free to email me. But be aware that as a private website, Edmunds.com sets its own rules of engagement. All members agree to abide by those rules when they join. On an occasion where one or more of them are not followed, yes, posts may be removed. That is not censorship; it's Edmunds ensuring that promises made are promises kept for the sake of all of our membership.
#250 of 292 Oils...
Oct 20, 2008 (10:52 am)
I would have to agree that unless VW states very clearly and publicly I would stick with the list as published. I have had tremendous success w/ Mobil 1, 0w40 and to suggest it is anything less than superb, IMHO, is just not true. I put 224,800+ miles on my 99 Passat (1.8T engine) before selling it (still running beautifully) and starting at around 30,000 miles, Mobil 1 is all it got. As soon as VW published the official list, I swapped to 0w40 (I don't recall the specific date on that).
For your own needs / likes, if you like Amsoil, and the dealer said they would fully back you up, great, have at it. But that is not *all* dealers. The general public needs to stick with what is published. There are no oil police, pour into the crankcase what you want to pour in. I tend to burn through warrantees pretty quickly, so I mostly do what I think is right for the long term health of the car (I like to keep them a LONG time). For me, that is Mobil 1, 0w40 (now gracing my new Audi A4, 2.0T). (and no, I own no oil company stock - too bad for me!!).
Oct 20, 2008 (6:03 pm)
Pat, what I said is that the Vw website will give you telephone numbers to call the dealership up that serviced my car, the one in Eau Claire Wisconsin. When I presented the info. to them about how I had maintained the car from the time i purchased it 'til it had the low oil pressure light come on that they never questioned the use of the type of oil I used (Amsoil). Now I talked with two other dealerships and I received the same courteous response and said just bring it in and bring the records of the work done and if I had records that verified my story then the work would be done. All three of the dealerships I talked with knew the kind of oil I used. I made it very clear to them that it is what was used. And so it must meet their standards.
Oct 20, 2008 (6:25 pm)
kinct, it is not the dealers that are backing it up, it is VW. The dealers are not going to nack anything up that VW will not. VW pays for the repairs.
The general public, If they have any questions as to what to do should contact VW to see what they really will back! The general public however is not interested in taking the time to research what the reality of the facts are. So you are right they are limited.
Just like the fact the Mobil 1 tech told me that Mobil 1 can not be filtered down past 10mc. because it would then loose all its detergents thus becoming a useless oil.
Mobil has a good website and their technical phone number that they give is very timly in answering the phone and are very helpful. In an earlier post I posted that number, anyone can call and verify what I said about the 10mc. filter limit for
Now if VW will honor the fact that that Amsoil meets or exceeds THEIR spec. and that that oil can be filtered finer than .1(thats one tenth of a micron) then I think that that oil in a clean engine should give better protection. I too like to protect my investment. That is how I got over 300,000 on three nissans (one of them was 610,000 when the body rust caught up to it). My '92 olds is at 189,000 No lubrication problems. And my 2003 MB Sprinter 117,000 no lubrication problems
is still going strong gets nothing but
#253 of 292 Re: Passat 1.8 Turbo/ SLUDGE - new engine at 37k miles [pjp9999]
Dec 25, 2008 (10:55 am)
I hate to tell you, but if anything changing the oil is the most important thing. It is like the cars blood. Dirt and metal fragments can be in the oil, all of that is run through your engine- ALWAYS change your oil. And if it is si drity it cannot properly do that well,
#254 of 292 Re: Passat 1.8 Turbo/ SLUDGE - new engine at 37k miles [mrtreize]
Apr 16, 2009 (6:25 am)
I wonder if one can use the product "Rissolin" or a similar product to clean out the engine/turbo lines etc. ?? It's like a detergent I think that you run for 20 minutes or so I think that cleans it out?? Anybody use this process before??
#255 of 292 Re: Passat 1.8 Turbo/ SLUDGE - new engine at 37k miles [blooper]
Jun 15, 2009 (9:42 am)
Hello Passat Owners: I have been reviewing the Passat "oil sludging" discussion, and it seems to be the most emotionally charged (and SCARY) Edmunds forum I have ever read). I own a 2002 Passat 1.8T with 78,000 miles. I purchased it with 55,000, and it seems to be running fine. I have all maintenance receipts from day one, and some work, including oil changes, was performed at a local dealer, some performed at private garages. I haven't reviewed the data on what oils have been used, but I will do that. I do most of my own "non-technical" maintenance myself (fluids, brakes, exhaust, etc.), so I HAVE done several oil changes. However, the owner's manual that CAME with the vehicle very specifically states that ANY
quality oil that meets certain SAE service standards (and not necessarily synthetic!) is OK for the Passat. When I read some stuff on Edmunds about 1.8T oil sludging, I became very concerned, as I have used some Castrol non-synthetic, another time Valvoline non-synthetic, in this vehicle. Now I read all the stuff from the Passatphiles about Mobil 1and other high-quality synthetics as being absolutely mandatory, plus all the scary stuff about VW demanding synthetics and documentation of oil changes for sludging warranty coverage. How in the hell can they now require synthetics when the manual itself states otherwise, AND more or less cut the knowledgeable do-it-yourselfer out of the maintenance realm? (There I go, getting emotional myself). I might go so far as to say this sounds "un-American" or certainly "anti-free trade" if they're claiming one has to patronize their dealers or the private garages. I also have one other question regarding viscosities...I have a five quart jug of Mobil 1 0w-30 synthetic in my garage. Would this weight be inappropriate for my 1.8T, particularly for Minnesota summer driving. Appreciate feedback on all of the above. Thanks! vwdawg
#256 of 292 Re: Passat 1.8 Turbo/ SLUDGE - new engine at 37k miles [vwdawg]
Jun 15, 2009 (10:57 am)
A few comments:
1) VW issued a statement in something like 2003 that supersedes the language in your Owner's Manual. The language in the statement is fairly concise in that not only are you required to use synthetic oil, but synthetic oil that meets at the very least, the VW 502.00 oil specification. Said another way, conventional oil is unacceptable, as is synthetic oil that doesn't meet 502.00.
2) The person/dealership you bought your car from should have provided you with the updated oil change requirement document.
3) Their maintenance policy does not preclude you from doing all of your own oil changes, just keep the receipts.
4) The Mobil 1 0W-30 is of an acceptable grade, however, it is not 502.00 compliant, and as such, should not be used in your car.
5) The only 0W-30 generally available in the States that meets 502.00 is Castrol Syntec 0W-30 (and it's made in Germany).
6) The only Mobil 1 oil generally available in the States that meets 502.00 is Mobil 1 0W-40.
#257 of 292 Re: Passat 1.8 Turbo/ SLUDGE - new engine at 37k miles [vwdawg]
Jun 15, 2009 (11:01 am)
Couple of documents for you:
The "sludge letter" from VWoA:
The original Oil Spec for my '03. The key was, and still is, that it really wants the owner to use 5w-40 for changes. 5w-40 only comes in synthetic.
Then came the supplement to the owern's manual. Note the 502.00 SPec that it mandates:
IMHO, the 0w-30 you have isn't appropriate unless it meets at least VW Spec 502.00. Good luck.