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#40 of 63 Re: What's a reasonable MSRP discount? [waynenovotny]
Dec 23, 2007 (7:23 pm)
The 3800 is the last Buick-designed engine ever made. When it is phased out, there will never be a Buick that drives and rides like a Buick again. All Buicks now will get either the GM High Feature engine or the Cadillac Northstar engine. Although more powerful and many people are happy with it, to me, putting in one of the two engines in a Buick will not drive and ride like a real Buick as before in the past. Buick will lost its appeal and character once the 3880 engine is out. I will make sure to snatch one of the last 3800 Lucernes, probably in 2009 or 2010, and I will babied it and keep it as a classic for many years to come. I'm only 23 years old, so I'm at the right time.
#41 of 63 Re: What's a reasonable MSRP discount? [waynenovotny]
Mar 25, 2008 (7:29 pm)
I've also heard they were phasing out the 3800, which baffles me because as far as I'm concerned it's the best V-6 ever made.
Nearly 4 liters yet it doesn't deliver 200 horsepower, which a mainstream 4-cyl car can do these days. It's a torquey engine you say? Yes, it makes decent torque, but even that isn't competitive. Look below: one of these things is not like the other.
Buick Lucerne: 3.8L 197hp, 227 lb-ft, 4-speed automatic
Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable: 3.5L 260hp, 245 lb-ft, 6-speed automatic
Hyundai Azera: 3.8L 263hp, 257 lb-ft, 6-speed automatic
Nissan Maxima: 3.5L 255hp, 252 lb-ft, Continuously Variable Transmission
Toyota Avalon: 3.5L 268hp, 248 lb-ft, 6-speed automatic
All of the competition makes much more power, most from less displacement. They all also get better fuel economy by as much as 3 MPG both city and highway (not helped by the antiquated 4-speed).
Buick does have the V8 option, but it can't outrun these V6 vehicles because of the 4-speed auto, and fuel economy (at 15/23) pales next to the Avalon's 19/28 or even Ford, with 18/28. With the 3800 having a worst-in-class 16/25 estimate, it's no fuel miser either.
The Buick 3800 may be solid and reliable, but that's because its been around so long, all the bugs have been worked out of it. It's being discontinued too late, in my opinion. Give it the 3.6 and ditch the Northstar!
#42 of 63 2008 CXL
May 22, 2008 (6:46 am)
I'm looking at a new Lucerne.....A dealer ha a CXL with a list price of $29,995...he wants $25,485...that's with $3,000 back from GM.
I was thinking of around $25,200......Is that reasonable? Or should I suggest even less?
#43 of 63 Re: 2008 CXL [merckx]
May 22, 2008 (4:44 pm)
Check the TMV price
you will get the invoice number there and what people are paying. I paid about $150 below invoice in early December before the rebates. I also put about 25% down and negotiated a rate that was 3/4' of a point below gms rate and the dealer made money on that.
You can also go through capitol one auto buying, depending on area and model they are about $100 over invoice for a car on the lot which can get you a starting price before you go into the dealer. I did all my research on-line, found the vehicle equipped the way I wanted then called the sales manger at the local dealer and asked him if he wanted to sell a car. He brought it from another dealer and sold it for the price I wanted.
You may want to take a look at fighting chances package and methods for purchasing. I found it very helpful.
I started here at edmunds and worked my way around.
Good luck - let us know how you do if you buy
#44 of 63 I Might Be Low
May 22, 2008 (5:38 pm)
My dealer is asking $25,485 for it. That already below $150 below invoice,with the additional $3,000 GM is currently offering...
#45 of 63 Final Price
May 27, 2008 (6:09 pm)
I managed to get the CXL,which listed for $29,995 for $17,200! I did have $3,400 in Gm credit card earnings,plus a further $2,000 off because my new 2001 Catera proved to be a bit "disappointing"...but still,GM is positively giving these cars away...
#46 of 63 Shopping for new 2007 Lucerne CXL V-8
Sep 04, 2008 (1:17 pm)
I am shopping for a new Lucerne CXL V-8. I am starting in Florida (where I live) and going north. These vehicles are not included in the GM employee pricing scheme ongoing, so they are another story.
I would buy for 30% off MSRP, but I am encountering resistance at securing any more than 22.5% off MSRP.
Any ideas on where I could go to look for a better deal?
#47 of 63 Re: Shopping for new 2007 Lucerne CXL V-8 [rivieraranch]
Sep 04, 2008 (3:57 pm)
I think that 30% off sticker will be very hard to get. You could try to find ads in the Washington Post or NY Times,or other big city papers. Those advertised priced will probably be near the least you can find.
You can always offer that price at a few dealerships,adding a %point or two if unsuccessful.
#48 of 63 Re: Shopping for new 2007 Lucerne CXL V-8 [merckx]
Sep 13, 2008 (5:47 am)
I found several in the range of 27-31% off of MSRP; now my problem is the GMAC pull ahead does not give me enough relief from my lease balance. I would owe just over $1,000.00 if I buy now. On October 1st, if GMAC increases its pull ahead, then I would be in a much better position.
#49 of 63 Re: Shopping for new 2007 Lucerne CXL V-8 [rivieraranch]
Oct 30, 2008 (5:56 am)
I plan on taking delivery today of a 2008 White Diamond CXL V6 with every option except NAV. Sticker is about $35,500 and I got it for about $24,000 (~32% off) plus taxes etc. I do have the GM supplier discount at $3,500 plus $3,000 bonus for the Supplier Program. Out the door I am at $26,750 and I finally get a car with cooled seats!