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Audi A4, Acura TL, Volvo S60, Volkswagen Passat, Sedan
#76 of 90 Re: A4 it is!!! [holdencaul]
Jan 16, 2007 (8:35 pm)
My wife drives a 2006 S60 AWD 2.5T and I have a 2006 A4 2.0T quattro auto. I'm not sure how they market these cars (as in suggesting they should compete with one another), but they are markedly different from one another. I agree with the comment made some time back about the S60 turning radius - horrible. But I would not drive past the Volvo dealer just because of that - you adjust to that just like you adjust to speed-sensitive steering and different brake feel, etc. It's a great all-around sedan, actually a bit quicker than the A4. The seats are the most comfortable and supportive around, and Volvo has come a long way in the styling department, inside and out. The interior seems roomier than the A4 although they look alike on paper. But the A4 handles more crisply and is better equipped for the money. The A4 is more of an enthusiast's car and the S60 fits the bill for those who want an "almost-enthusiast's" car. I am not knocking Volvo owners as "less than", as I said I really like the car. But if am going to take some winding backroads and want to have fun, I'd probably grab the Audi keys before the Volvo keys. On a freeway, I like the ride of the Volvo a bit better. I cannot comment on the Consumer Report lower rating for the AWD as we have only 5K miles on the odo on the S60 - no problems so far.
#79 of 90 Audi A4 Front Track Vs Acura TL
Jun 05, 2007 (9:24 pm)
what to lease, both 36mo/36K miles...
The most basic Audi A-4, front wheel drive, MSRP 31,500
-1200 down $408 per month
acura TL base (MSRP 34,500) for 1200 down, and $435 per month
and lastly, are these good deals?
#80 of 90 Re: Audi A4 Front Track Vs Acura TL [jdog973]
Jun 06, 2007 (9:53 am)
Let me suggest that you also ask about the terms of each individual lease in the A4 Lease Questions and TL Lease Questions discussions. You'll find leasing experts there who probably won't see your post here.
Perhaps others in this topic can give you feedback on the cars themselves if that's what you're looking for.
Welcome to CarSpace - good luck!
#81 of 90 Re: Audi A4 vs Acura TL vs Volvo S60 vs VW Passat [strato435]
Jun 12, 2007 (9:57 am)
I own an S60, previously owned a Passat and frequently drive my brother's TL. I like my S60 a lot (especially for the safety), but it has a VERY small back seat. I LOVED my Passat, but it was pricey when it did have a problem. I've never owned an Audi, but it seems that they're resale value is not great in my area of the south. Above all I am in love my brother's TL. It drives beautifully, holds it's value, is very reliable and my own mechanic urged me to buy one over any other car (he hated my VW and is iffey about the S60)! Regardless, I think you've narrowed it down to some nice choices. If I wasn't a Volvo safety mom, I'd be in a TL. Good luck!
#82 of 90 Re: Audi A4 vs Acura TL vs Volvo S60 vs VW Passat [mauraw]
Jun 15, 2007 (12:30 pm)
If I wasn't a Volvo safety mom, I'd be in a TL.
If this is accurate, I'd give the TL a good look next time you're ready.
The safety cage in the TL really holds up and gets great marks in safety tests.
#84 of 90 Re: Audi A4 vs Acura TL vs Volvo S60 vs VW Passat [scottm123]
Sep 05, 2007 (1:04 pm)
After 14 years and 125k miles I recently traded my '93 850 on an '07 s60 AWD. For the first month, I had trouble adjusting to the different (and goofy) turning radius and often had to back up and try again when pulling into parking spots, but now have no trouble at all. It just took getting used to the difference.
The car has only about 3,500 miles, but so far has been flawless. The only change I plan on making is to go to fully synthetic oil from the semi-synthetic used by my dealer. I only put on about 9,000 miles per year on the car and the 7,500 mile change for me means it takes the better part of a year to accumulate. So, I figure I can make the change without any increased cost as my dealer will put it in without further charge. In fact, the cost per quart for the full syn oil from the local discount store is actually less than the dealer charges for the semi syn.
#85 of 90 Acura TL & Passat V6 compared
Dec 17, 2007 (4:14 pm)
Like many of you, I too arrived at the two models for the final run-off for my next car. I had a chance to drive the two cars this week, and here are my notes:
Acceleration - Passat v6
The TL accelerated well, but there were times when the car really felt like it was struggling to accelerate - and this was the S-Type I was test driving. The Passat V6 does not struggle as much - especially at take-off speeds.
Driveability - Passat v6
This is highly subjective (to my wife and myself), but the Passat felt like a fun car which handles the corners with ease and aplomb. This is not to say that the Acura TL drove terribly, it drives real well, but just not as well. The other big ding against the TL was the shameful turning radius - among the worst in its class.
Ergonomics - Passat v6
Those aspiring to join the NASA Space Shuttle Program will feel comfortable in the Acura - that car has buttons, rows of buttons, and columns of buttons. For guys, a good thing. For Women, an unmitigated disaster. Much can be said for less is more, and in this case, the Passat wins this one hands down.
Interior Design - Acura TL
If there is one item of lamentation from many VW owners, is that VW did go cheap on the interior This generation of VWs is certainly INFERIOR to the fit and finish quality of the previous generation. The Acura easily won this criteria.
Visibility - Passat
The other nagging issue I had with the TL was the visibility. The front frame beams are wide, and will obstruct your vision during a turn. Rear vision (Blind-Spot) is also limited. No such issues with the Passat
Reliability - Predicted - Acura TL
We've owned a VW Passat v6, and know that it is indeed average in reliability. A good, dependable car. But let's not kid ourselves, Acura has far less issues than the Passats, and always will due to their zealous devotion to ironing out the bugs
Curb Factor - Acura
Again, this is VERY subjective. I personally think that the perfect Passat is the 2002.5 model with today's V6 engine and a NAV. Today's Passat body style has a bit too much chrome in the front for my taste.
The Acura looks, well, almost indistinguishable from a new Accord IMHO. So why did Acura win? Because Volkswagon decided that the only "Appealing" colors that should be available to VW owners are the lame Black / White / Gray / Silver (are they trying to say that the purchasing demographics are old retirees here?) / CrayonRed / CrayonBlue colors. So, to enjoy your Passat, you would either need to be color blind (to opt for the lame Red / Blue colors) or, show people just how plain, boring, and OLD you are with the lame Silver and Gray colors.
Great job VW! You've managed to neuter a perfectly fun and driveable car with a pathetic color swatch!
Value - Tie
Fully loaded, both will take you to the cleaners. A slight edge might go to the Passat for many standard safety features.
Safety - Tie
Yes the Acura has better crash ratings, but the Passat has a lot of other intrinsic safety feautures such as Adaptive headlamps that actually helps avoid them in the first place.
Resale - Probably Acura
Let's face it, Acura's have a good resale value because they are treated as a luxury brand. VW is NOT a luxury brand - despite the luxurious trappings. Ergo, Acura will have a higher resale value.
Most unlikely to be stolen for a Joy-Ride - Passat
Thanks to the uninspired colors available for sale (Black? White? Gray? Silver? - Are they trying to tell us that the buyer demographics are old people?), it would be hard to pick out a Passat for a Joyride in a sea of Gray and Silver cars in a mall parking lot.
Insurance companies should offer special discounts for those who opt for the horrid Red or Cobalt Blue colors - since car thieves usually have more pride than to steal something so badly colored.
Winner - ?!?!?
Go for the Passat v6 if:
* You're in it for the driving experience
* Crave performance
* Love the safety features
* You don't mind people asking how old you are when you choose Black / White / Silver / Gray
* You don't mind people LAUGHING at you when you choose the Red / Cobalt Blue color
Go for the Acura if:
* You like the resale value
* Define luxury as a soft leather seat with a TON of buttons
* Like a reliable car with decent handling and driving characteristics
* Want to choose a color that doesn't make you any younger / older than you really are.