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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [m1miata]
by pat HOST
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Feb 18, 2007 (2:24 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Feb 17, 2007 7:04 pm)
Let's please stick to the midsize sedans here.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [explorerx4]
by elroy5
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Feb 18, 2007 (3:03 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Feb 17, 2007 7:13 pm)
So the fact that the only comparison test that the Fusion won, was a very limited test, that Ford paid for, doesn't smell a little fishy to you? Smells like a Seafood restaurant's dumpster, to me.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [explorerx4]
by captain2
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Feb 18, 2007 (4:33 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Feb 17, 2007 7:13 pm)
to answer your earlier question, I never said SC was useless, all I said was that it doesn't improve anything and may even inhibit performance in track conditions. m1miats's explanation is right on the mark. Nobody ever said Ford was dumb, it is to the Fusion's advantage that an AWD vehicle without SC is compared against 2WD cars with the system.The Fusions do BTW have an intelligently designed suspensions etc. thanks to Mazda's continued expertise in that area - but both cars do continue to be infected by Ford's inability to build even a passable small engine.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [captain2]
by jml7
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Feb 18, 2007 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 18, 2007 4:33 am)
I agree with you, especially on the engine part, as the Fusion's base I4 is the 2.3 Liter ported over from Mazda.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [jml7]
by lilengineerboy
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Feb 18, 2007 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: jml7 (Feb 18, 2007 7:25 am)
I agree with you, especially on the engine part, as the Fusion's base I4 is the 2.3 Liter ported over from Mazda.
I would hardly consider this to be a bad thing. That motor is a lot of fun in the Mazda3 and the highline Foci (the lower Mazda3/Focus gets the 2l).
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [lilengineerboy]
by captain2
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Feb 18, 2007 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 18, 2007 10:14 am)
for many years now the 4 cylinders were Mazda engines, and the 6s were either Vulcans or Duratecs - and the engine to have was certainly the 4 banger, even back in the 80s. Although I have a problem (as it relates to complexity and durability) with turbocharging in general, I'm sure the Speed6 is a blast to drive, and much preferable to the current 220hp Duratec and probably even a 260hp Duratec rehash.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [captain2]
by zzzoom6
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Feb 18, 2007 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 18, 2007 11:27 am)
I test drove the 4 banger before buying the 6 cylinder mazda6 and found that even in the heavier hatchback, the four cylinder was very fun to drive. Of course driving style needed to change; although it could go into a corner a bit quicker, it was a bit more important to keep the revs up to have access to enough torque to pull out of a corner quickly. But I was impressed by how smooth the 4 cylinder was; mated to a manual transmission, this engine and the mazda6 were a good match. The v-6 has quite a bit more torque down low, so even though there's a bit more understeer mid-turn, the v-6 handles very well for a car in this class.
But in comparison to the mazdaspeed6, well that thing is a beast. I think I heard that this engine/turbo package was rated as one of the best engines in the world. Plus adding AWD helps keep all that power and torque to the road. The amazing thing is that the speed6 can be had starting in the 22k range since demand has been less than stellar. For those who would like to have a Grand Tourer type car, the Speed6 would be a great choice.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [zzzoom6]
by jaxs1
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Feb 18, 2007 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: zzzoom6 (Feb 18, 2007 11:46 am)
Only a leftover 2006 Mazdaspeed6 can be had for around $22K because 2006 models have a $4750 rebate. 2007s are much higher in price.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [zzzoom6]
by driverdm
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Feb 18, 2007 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: zzzoom6 (Feb 18, 2007 11:46 am)
I own the Mazda6 4 banger and it is a blast to drive. Anyoen who says not probably hasn't driven one. The car handles like it is on rails and dances like a ballarina. In the straight line (not a normal driving condition may I add) I will get ate alive by many cars. In the corners and through traffic (real world conditions), the car makes everyone honest.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [driverdm]
by jimmy81
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Feb 18, 2007 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: driverdm (Feb 18, 2007 12:28 pm)
I don't get this riding on rails business. Shoot - my old Geo Storm was a tight little handler. Most small cars sit low and are go cart oriented. Its not like other cars in this class are top heavy and lean hard in the turns.
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