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#10270 of 10338 Re: 2012 Mercedes E350 [james27] by abacomike

Jan 18, 2012 (5:55 pm)

Replying to: james27 (Jan 18, 2012 4:59 pm)
If you look at the consumer ratings here on Edmunds and other sites, a common thread that is frequently mentioned is the lack of standard leather. For a luxury brand, one would think that US marketing tests would have brought this to the attention of corporate (limited head room and leather). As lawcar mentioned in one of these forums, power retractable side mirrors are standard on many luxury brands - but not Mercedes. Interesting, to say the least

#10271 of 10338 Re: 2012 Mercedes E350 [abacomike] by james27

Jan 18, 2012 (8:58 pm)

Replying to: abacomike (Jan 18, 2012 5:55 pm)
Blame the marketing department...it's not the engineers that come up with all the things.

#10272 of 10338 Re: 2012 Mercedes E350 [james27] by abacomike

Jan 19, 2012 (5:00 am)

Replying to: james27 (Jan 18, 2012 8:58 pm)
Market analysts find out perceived consumer desires, wants and or Preferences and then engineering and designers create solutions. At least that has been the usual flow of ideas and advances. I guess engineering and designers can "create" and then marketing can "sell", but meeting needs seems to
Be more logical.

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#10274 of 10338 Re: 2012 Mercedes E350 [dino001] by carolinabob

May 11, 2012 (5:26 am)

Replying to: dino001 (Jan 17, 2012 1:32 pm)
The problem with MB and most European cars is that quality, reliability and dependability are far too inconsistent. This is especially so when you consider how long they have been in the business and how much they charge for the cars. The BEST German cars only rate an average on reliability and very few of them.
In truth, MB probably never has been the reliability/dependability icon it is supposed to be. Their maintenance plans also call for replacement of many parts every 24,000 miles that other manufacturers expect to last 100,000 miles or more.
Within 5,000 miles my 2010 E350 was recalled, the tilt component of steering wheel had to be replaced (2.5 days! after part came in), leather on $850 optional steering wheel shredded, etc.
 
As for Chrysler fiasco, it could have worked but MB management in Germany tried to run the company to supplement MB products and make money for DAG. Sent Germans over here to run it. Fiat is letting the American automobile professionals run the company with input, assistance, money and products that complement Chrysler.
 
BTW, a major factor in why people buy Lexus, BMW, MB, Audi, etc. is for the badge/name. They may deny it, but's its true. No star on front and back of my car and I would not have purchased it. Same thing for Lexus, Audi, Acura and Infinitis that I looked at.

#10276 of 10338 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [lexusguy] by michael0137

Jul 02, 2012 (8:31 am)

Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 23, 2009 11:23 pm)
We bought a 2008 RL used in March 2011 with 18,700 miles on it from an Acura dealer in Tucson, AZ for $26,000. It was not certified - we got an extended warranty. We have had it over a year and it is a GREAT car. Bought it after our son bought a used '05 with 28K on it in January 2010. We were so impressed - the AWD, sound system, Navi, back up camera, power rear window shade(great if you have little ones in car seats - especially backward facing ones), adaptive xenon headhlights, etc etc. - there is nothing missing on this car in terms of luxury. Performance? My husband had a guy in a Dodge Hemi Pick Up challenge him at about 35MPH. The Acura blew his doors off - the VTEC kicked in and the guy's jaw dropped! LOL! This car is no performance slouch - and we get 29-30 MPG at 75-80 on long trips. Styling?? Look at a 2005 - a 7 YEAR OLD CAR - and then look at a 2012 ES350 or a Hyundai Genesis - see any resemblance?? I do not understand maligning the RL. IT IS A GREAT CAR. Looked at a BMW 5 series lately? 4 cylinder engine standard??? Pulllease. We have had 3 1st Series Legends, a '94 6 speed Coupe, then a couple of Accords(kids were in college) and now back to Acura. The legends all went 175K plus without any drivetrain problems whatsoever. This car is the Legend all over again - but better in SO many ways. Buy one - you'll love it!

#10277 of 10338 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [michael0137] by qbrozen

Jul 02, 2012 (8:59 am)

Replying to: michael0137 (Jul 02, 2012 8:31 am)
I don't like to do this normally, but since you brought it up...
 
Racing a pickup truck? Really??
 
TL SH-AWD 0-60 = 6.4s; 1/4-mile = 14.9s; mileage = 16/24
4-cyl 528i 0-60 = 6.0s; 1/4-mile = ?; mileage 20/30
 
The 528i is still estimated, but the reality won't be far off. Clearly, the 4-cyl is not a hindrance if you want to compare to the Acura.

#10278 of 10338 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [qbrozen] by michael0137

Jul 02, 2012 (1:12 pm)

Replying to: qbrozen (Jul 02, 2012 8:59 am)
I am Michael's wife posting under his account - so don't anyone get confused when I said "my husband"! It was a bit juvenile, but hey it was a recently new Dodge HEMI V8 - 0-60 in 6.8 according to road tests.
 
As for the BMW?? I don't care WHAT they do to the engine with turbo charging - it is a 4 banger. Acura has been constantly criticized for having a V6 versus a V8 - standard - and now BMW has a twin turbocharged 4??? Why aren't they being destroyed in the press? Advertising $$$$$$$ - that's why.

#10279 of 10338 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [michael0137] by qbrozen

Jul 02, 2012 (2:10 pm)

Replying to: michael0137 (Jul 02, 2012 1:12 pm)
As for the BMW?? I don't care WHAT they do to the engine with turbo charging - it is a 4 banger. Acura has been constantly criticized for having a V6 versus a V8 - standard - and now BMW has a twin turbocharged 4??? Why aren't they being destroyed in the press? Advertising $$$$$$$ - that's why.
 
That's not completely true. Acura has been criticized for not having a V8 as an option. All the competitors had 6-cyls in the base models, so that was never a criticism toward Acura.
 
In other words, the competitors had optional models that were significantly faster than the Acura. So someone wanting more power had to look elsewhere. It has definitely cost them those sales.

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