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Re: Consumer Reports: Most dependable cars [houdini1] by carolinabob
Oct 30, 2009 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 29, 2009 6:11 pm)

  I looked at the chart and while that is true, you have to consider other factors. The newest reliability ratings for E350 are all reds, with most full circles (best ratings). Insufficient data for 09's.
    Also, while M-B may be 23rd, it also had some models that are better than some models at the very top of the list. Unfortunately, I couldn't locate a by model list. That is why it is important to compare specific models when looking for data.
    It appears that some of the M-B models really drag down the brand and some of the past years contribute to this as well.
   Good news is that it is improving.
    
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Re: Consumer Reports: Most dependable cars [carolinabob] by m4m
Nov 02, 2009 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 30, 2009 6:20 am)

It appears that some of the M-B models really drag down the brand and some of the past years contribute to this as well.
 
2010 MB E350 , here you go:
 
http://www.mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w212/323593-cruise-control-error-message.h- tml
 
http://www.mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w212/319993-another-problem.html
 
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Re: Consumer Reports: Most dependable cars [carolinabob] by houdini1
Nov 02, 2009 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 30, 2009 6:20 am)

How many times are you going to fall for that. Every time a new model comes out they say, yes, we know we've had problems in the past...but no more. Then it is the same old thing all over again.
 
It is not just the problematic cars, it's also the stonewalling dealers and Mercedes corporate that turns me off. They need to take a page out of the Lexus playbook. With Lexus, the customer is always right. Certainly no so with Mercedes.
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AWD Infiniti M45x by m4m
Nov 12, 2009 (8:43 am)
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Since we are approaching another winter season more people will look for AWD models. I found this really cool review, with very good points and with some entertaiment along as well:
 
http://www.nadaguides.com/Garage-Blo....aspx#continue
 
Enjoy
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Re: AWD Infiniti M45x [m4m] by houdini1
Nov 12, 2009 (2:24 pm)
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Replying to: m4m (Nov 12, 2009 8:43 am)

Your link would not work for me but I agree that Infiniti makes some great cars !!
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Re: AWD Infiniti M45x [houdini1] by m4m
Nov 13, 2009 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 12, 2009 2:24 pm)

"...M45x is not a car you see often because the crowd tends to move towards BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Audi when shopping in this segment. However, I think this car more than holds its own in this segment."
 
http://www.nadaguides.com/Garage-Blog/2009-Infiniti-M45x.aspx#continue
 
link has been fixed
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Re: Consumer Reports: Most dependable cars [m4m] by carolinabob
Nov 13, 2009 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: m4m (Nov 02, 2009 12:37 pm)

And your point is? Two problems on new cars and both fixed as far as I could tell.
     With the technology and other features on today's luxury cars, there is far more room for error. Lexus dealer told me that in some LS460's they were having to replace whole engines due to problems, not to mention others they "refined".
   This is one of problems with reliability surveys, many of the worst case scenarios never get reported or surveyed.
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Re: Consumer Reports: Most dependable cars [carolinabob] by houdini1
Nov 13, 2009 (2:42 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Nov 13, 2009 2:27 pm)

Mercedes have always had their share of electronics problems and probably always will. That is just the way it is.
 
Whole engines being replaced in the LS 460? I guess anything is possible. Do you have a link or did you just make that up?
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Not a popular sentiment, but here goes. . . by markcincinnati
Nov 13, 2009 (2:48 pm)
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When I see comments here quoting Consumer Reports as supporting reasons to or not to do something with respect to this class of cars, I am unmoved. Indeed, if Consumer Reports liked this or that car, I would ALMOST consider looking much more carefully at the one they didn't like.
 
It is, of course, a free country and to each his or her own, but a combination of edmunds, Car and Driver and about 3 other enthusiasts magazine reviews typically would sway me more than anything Consumer Reports writes.
 
Sure the manufacturer makes the car, but the dealer makes the ownership experience (at least that has worked for me for well over two dozen cars) bad, fair, good or great.
 
Test drive the cars you are considering in EXACTLY the same way on the same roads, with the same tunes on the sound systems with the AC set at the same temp, etc, etc, read the passionate published reports, view the you tube videos, WHATEVER, just do like George Castanza, "the opposite" of what Consumer Reports says, and you will be a happier camper.
 
 
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Re: Not a popular sentiment, but here goes. . . [markcincinnati] by lexusguy
Nov 13, 2009 (4:01 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Nov 13, 2009 2:48 pm)

just do like George Castanza, "the opposite" of what Consumer Reports says, and you will be a happier camper.
 
CR's recommendations for similar cars in mainstream categories are pretty accurate. For example, the highest rated family sedans are the Altima, Accord, and Legacy, which is a reasonable assessment. The two worst rated in that class are the Sebring and Avenger, and buying one of those two because CR hates them is a very bad idea.
 
The trouble starts in categories like luxury sedans, where they are comparing totally different cars in different size and price classes, and they begin to lose all credibility. The Acura RL is a better car than the A6, 5 series, and A8? Really CR?
 
The "sporty cars" section has similar problems, like having a Scion tC in the same section as a BMW 135i.
 
I also find it rather offensive that paid subscribers are expected to pay again for "premium" access to things like pricing guides and full track test data. Wow, you sure can't get that anywhere else!

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