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Re: A4 it is [shmang] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: shmang (May 01, 2009 7:51 pm)

That is kind of what I think. I don't have a dog in this fight either but I just can't see any 4 banger, turbo or not, showing up too well today with all the sweet v6's around. Especially if that 4 banger costs $50 grand.
 
The engine is the heart and soul of any auto and I've yet to see a 4 banger that did not vibrate and buzz too much for my taste. IMO no amount of glitz will make up for that.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by lexusguy
May 01, 2009 (8:20 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 4:36 pm)

I guess that's why the 2009 TL won Wards Automotive Best Interior award for the current model year
 
I couldn't care less what Wards thinks. The ergonomics in the TL are terrible, and the materials look and feel cheap. The cheap plastic fake aluminum trim looks like cheap plastic. The center stack is cheap plastic, and the console is cheap plastic. The TL interior is basically the same quality as what you get in a Mazda6 or Nissan Maxima. The only difference is the Mazda and Nissan aren't pretending to be luxury cars. I actually prefer the Maxima.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (8:21 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 8:08 pm)

It is hard to check Audi numbers because they are usually grouped with VW.
 
I've driven the Genesis and found it to be very impressive, top notch IMO. If I was in the market it would definitely be on the list.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by lexusguy
May 01, 2009 (8:27 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 8:08 pm)

People seem to be voting with their wallets. You know what they say...'numbers don't lie.' But TL haters will keep knocking it in spite of the fact that people are buying them in higher numbers than anything else out there in it's segment. Nope, no real bargain there. Those people must all just be blind....or insane....or both.
 
You're conveniently leaving out the fact that the TL is getting annihilated by the 3 series. 8,464 of which were sold in March. Numbers indeed don't lie, and the TL isn't even close to being the segment leader. TL buyers must be blind, I don't know how they could get past the styling if they could actually see it.
 
5 series sales were 4,040 in March, by the way. How's that RL doing these days?
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Re: A4 it is [shmang] by james27
May 01, 2009 (8:31 pm)
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Replying to: shmang (May 01, 2009 7:51 pm)

The latest month where I could find a breakdown of both Acura and Audi was from Feb 09
 
Acura TL 2293
Audi A4 2202
 
Hardly a trouncing or difinitive difference.
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Re: A4 it is [lexusguy] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 01, 2009 8:20 pm)

We all know that you know much more than those ignoramus' over at Wards. I'm surprised you don't offer them seminars on "how to design a car interior (and exterior)." The interior of the TL is cutting edge up-to-date and equipped with state of the art technology. But all that is meaningless to you I guess. You're probably one of those guys who salivates at the chance to get one of those really "spiffy" AM/FM head units....preferably with a cassette tape player. If you really hit the lottery, maybe you can even find a car with an 8-Track.
 
You really seem to like to display your ignorance with statements like, "I actually prefer the Maxima." That would be the same Maxima with that "awesome" CVT transmission that feels like a loose rubber band attached to a flywheel, right?
 
Wow, you're a real car guy. I can tell.
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Re: A4 it is [lexusguy] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (8:35 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 01, 2009 8:27 pm)

>>>You're conveniently leaving out the fact that the TL is getting annihilated by the 3 series. 8,464 of which were sold in March.<<< - - All leases, all poseurs.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by jimbres
May 01, 2009 (8:39 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 8:32 pm)

Easy, big fella. While Lexusguy may have come down hard on the Acura (not without justification, IMO), at no time did he attack you. Why, then, are you making this personal?
 
We're just talking about cars here - not about really important things, like books, music or single malt Scotch.
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Re: A4 it is [houdini1] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (8:39 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 01, 2009 8:21 pm)

>>>I've driven the Genesis and found it to be very impressive, top notch IMO. If I was in the market it would definitely be on the list.<<< I agree. The Genesis would have been on my short list too if it weren't for the fact that it's RWD only. I live in NY and we get snow here and there's no way I want to be in a RWD car with snow on the road. That and the fact that Hyundai really needs to establish a separate dealership network if it expects to move into that market segment. Who wants to go in for an oil change and wait behind a guy with a beat up Elantra?
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by lexusguy
May 02, 2009 (1:02 am)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 8:32 pm)

We all know that you know much more than those ignoramus' over at Wards.
 
Considering their choices, yes, I would say I do. I don't judge an interior by whether the stereo can play DVDs, or whether the NAV system has Zagat ratings and weather reports. There's nothing inherently luxurious about techie-gizmos. I don't take luxury vacations at a Best Buy.
 
The fact is, Acura loads their cars up with tech features as a crutch. They know they cannot compete with Audi, or BMW, or even Lexus when it comes to quality of the leather, or switchgear, or dashboard materials, so they go on an on about how much technology you get as standard.
 
I'm just not interested. The TL is like the Saab 9-3, a quasi-luxury car built on a pedestrian platform that uses smoke and mirrors to disguise what it actually is. It's less transparently shameless than something like a Lincoln MKZ, but that's about as much praise as I can give.

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