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I was in the market for a Hyundai because of the quality and price (and these boards). However, I will no longer buy because I just discovered how ignorant I have been. In this weeks WSJ, there are two articles about how South Korea is anti-American with our products and our people! They are currently protesting the opening up of trade with US beef sellers. Lies are being spread that we will ship the Koreans mad cow disease meat, since "Americans will not even eat their own meat!". The article states that in fact the US consumes 96% of its own meat. However, large populations of Koreans are protesting. Then, another article mentions how the the Korean government has sheltered Hyundai and Samsung from outside competition (American cars are not allowed to be sold in Korea!), and that Blackberry just struck a deal to come in. Of course, the Koreans are up in arms about this too. This i snot free-trade. How can American companies compete in a pseudo free-trade environment when Hyundai doe snot have to compete in its own back yard? All that saved money is used for other purposes that gives it an unfair advantage in the market place. I have children, and I want them to have a future in this country. Therefore, my money will not go to Korea and stimulate more hate and economic destruction for Americans. (Hyundai North Americafired all the American senior managers and replaced them with Koreans, how blatant is that?!?!) I will buy any other brand but Hyundai or Kia. And before someone mentions that some Hyundai's are built in the US, that means very little in today's world. Manufacturing is not a profit center. For example, Ipods are built in China, but Apple in California (HQ) where the innovation and design took place, is collecting the billions of dollars and not China. Same is true for Hyundai. I hope you will check my facts if you are not convinced.
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Replying to: frank_1 (May 15, 2008 1:05 pm) In this weeks WSJ, there are two articles about how South Korea is anti-American with our products and our people! They are currently protesting the opening up of trade with US beef sellers. Lies are being spread that we will ship the Koreans mad cow disease meat, since "Americans will not even eat their own meat!". The article states that in fact the US consumes 96% of its own meat. However, large populations of Koreans are protesting. => Some of you guys have tendency to drive things in one direction like "those guys are anti-American" when someone complains about things. The reality is this. Currently, American people are not eating beef that is from cows that are more than 20 months old as they are more prone to mad cow disease. Also, you are not consuming parts that are susceptible to mad cow disease. The stupid Korean president, however, quickly agreed to import beef regardless of age and of susceptibility of mad cow disease. Are Korean people angry? Yes. They are angry at their president and current administration because they don't seem to care about wellness of their own people. What do they want? They want to consume exactly the same beef as you (American citizens) are eating. I do not see any anti-American feeling in here. Then, another article mentions how the the Korean government has sheltered Hyundai and Samsung from outside competition (American cars are not allowed to be sold in Korea!), and that Blackberry just struck a deal to come in. Of course, the Koreans are up in arms about this too. => You are utterly ignorant. American cars have been sold in Korea more than 15 years. The import of American cars were allowed at the same time as those from other countries. But, the sale of American cars has always been slow while those of German and Japanese cars continued to grow. Do you know what Korean government did to make people buy more American cars? Korean government purchased about 100 Taurus to use highway patrol cars, which was about 8~9 years ago, to urge people to buy American cars and to avoid trade conflict. Do you know any country (among those that make their own cars) that use foreign cars as police cruiser? Also, Blackberry? Give me a break! As for cell phones and electronic stuff, Korean companies are really competitive. Nokia withdrew from Korean market several years ago. And, market share of Sony-Ericsson and Motorola are really really low not because Korean government is giving disadvantage to these companies but Korean people do not buy them. Lots of foreign companies withdrew or changed their way of doing business (e.g., Philips is no longer selling TVs in Korea. Instead, they are concentrating on coffee machine and shaver. I think they are smart). Maybe, it took Blackberry a while to analyze their marketeability in Korea. If Korean government is doing so unfair business, do you think American government would keep quiet about it? Do you know what FTA is? This free trade deal was agreed between Korean and American government, but, unfortunately, it is being delayed because American senate and Korean national assembly have not approved it.
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Replying to: epitherm (May 15, 2008 6:05 pm) |
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But... let's stick to prices..  regards, kyfdx |
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Replying to: sandman46 (May 14, 2008 9:08 am) My husband wanted to offer $17,600 since he thought they would take anything over what CarMax would offer. I disagreed as selling to me is more of a hassle - needed to check up on title, lien release-all that good stuff and since they are leaving the country next week - I don't think they wanted to be really bothered (they are selling their 2003 Corolla to CarMax with 45K miles for $5,500. So I offered $18,200 and they accepted. I have never bought a used car before - this is only my second car in 14 years - I bought a 1994 Camry new which now has almost 200,000 miles - so I hope this car will serve me well for the long haul. I am still working out the payment/insurance and I hope I can take possesion of it later today or tomorrow. By the way, in response to frank_1, I asked these sellers, who happen to be Korean, if American cars are sold in Korea. He thought I was crazy to ask such a question and said of course. Knowing a lot of Korean-americans, they really like their BMWs and Mercedes-Benzes. thanks!
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Still don't understand why you offered so much for the car. I'm with your husband on this...$17.7k up to $17.9k would've been all the money. That Corolla was a steal for Carmax...they gave the car away. The Sandman
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Replying to: jssh1 (May 16, 2008 9:33 am) |
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Replying to: frank_1 (May 15, 2008 1:05 pm) Have you ever been to Asia? If you had been, you would have observed that most of the Asians prefer small cars like Suzuki Swift, Hyundai Getz/Santro, Tata Indica, Tata Nano etc The reason is that gas is very very very expensive there ($10-12 per gallon). These small cars sip fuel gingerly, are easy to park & maneuver. Ford & GM have been in India for close to 15-20 years but are far far behind when compared to Hyundai, Suzuki etc in India. It is the same case in many other Asian countries. WHy? It is because, till today GM & Ford don't have a small car platform to produce small cars the market demands. Instead, they want to produce big land yachts & expect people to buy them. As a business principle, you produce what the market demands, not what you demand the market to absorb. The key to succeed in Asia? SMALL FUEL SIPPING CARS!!!! And another thing.... GM bought the ailing Daewoo in Korea. Now, last year GM-Daewoo became the LARGEST selling car maker in Korea, surpassing Hyundai/Kia! |
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Sticker price at dealer in buffalo, NY area 19480 for a used 07 azera limited 3.8 L engine with 12000 miles and rental car past. Is 17500 before taxes a resonable offer? . Also a 07 azera limited base for 19880 with 7500 miles. Im thinking around 17850 before taxes. thanks for any input anyone has.
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Replying to: jeff26c (Jun 01, 2008 8:41 pm)
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