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Hyundai, Honda, Coupe
Mar 03, 2006 (8:42 pm)
I checked out the Fusion, G6 and Sonata sedans, and to me, most for money(I should say) is Hyundai.
No leather for the G6 sedan, at any price.
No 8 way seat adjusters...on LX, on sale, for about 19-20K,(man, that saves the front part of my legs on long drivers, being able to lower/raise that front part of the lower seat cushion, especially since the seat cushions these days seem sort of short on length).
No tilting headrests.
No auto manual shifter(fusion I tested did not have one. Is this available on Fusion?).
Among other items. Yes, LX has that telescopic steering column, and the adjustable brake pedals, etc, like others have.
So, I dunno. Sonata had 235HP, 221 for Fusion, and 200HP for G6 sedan.
Add the warranty that last for ever.
Difficult for us to justify buying a vehicle that has less content for same msrp(on sale, or not)> they are all about 1000 apart, on any given day/sale.
I think G6 does not have leather? At any price.
The G6 coupe looks good, but no hatch, so to me, it has no advantage over a sedan.
Caliber: here's another vehicle. great at 15,899 or so, with SE, automatic and cruise. Add sunroof,etc, you are forced to the mid level model, which is 2K more before adding any other options, like sunroof.
That alone could make it about 2,750 more, where as if it were available as an option on the base SE, it would only cost around 16,600 or so, still a bargain. HHR, is it better, on sale? It seems shorter on headroom with sunroof.
You get the idea.
I would like something else, but when i compared the std and available options list to Hyundai.....
Hmmm, maybe when Geely or Visionary vehicles(malcholm bricklin's Chery company) get here, and 4-5 years under their belts, we can all get 40K type cars for 25K?
#3 of 77 about caliber....
Mar 03, 2006 (10:59 pm)
For the 19,535 priced out for what i want, it appears Suzuki has the new Grand Vitara for under 19K, V6, 185HP?
Have not looked into it very much, other than the ad/msrp.
Again, what would you consider a great value in certain classes of vehicle, and too much for one?
Caliber with 300HP, rumored to be 23K msrp is a bargain,maybe best buy of any similar crossover, if it is true.
172HP Rt for nearly 21K? Compared to this 300HP turboed version> Not such a good deal?
It also depends on MPG, if that is what you are looking for, or just a useful vehicle , for low price(the under 16K Caliber is a good choice).
Best, New& Improved, Worlds greatest, etc, in advertising is called "Puffery", if i recall correctly. Just words they use to garner your attention to an ad or whatever.
Anyhow, to your, what is a best value? Content/price combo(of course, gotta last awhile, too, otherwise price/content are worthless). MPG?
"What's currently cool"(or, as they used to say," Trying to keep up with the Joneses").
Resale value( lot of people drive cars 3 years, and dump them, I have found out).
We Try to pay ours off, and maybe keep them 1 year after pay off, or longer.
Curious as to see what people say!
Take Care-Not Offense.
#4 of 77 Hyundai Sonota not so hot........
Mar 04, 2006 (2:57 am)
My office manager looked over the same class of cars and bought a brand new Hyundai Sonota since it was the cheapest. When she asked me, I told her to speak to the service manager and get everything they would do if any problems in writing as she could be spending considerable time there.
Well you guessed it, this morning traveling on the highway with the babies in the car and without a warning light ever coming on, the car just died. Well she had to wait for the flatbed for hours, then someone to pick her up, when she finally made it in 6 hours later I found out about it. She said they had found a progblem with the electronics and the altenator and the battery were toast for sure. So the "most for the money" is not always the "best value".....
#5 of 77 Re: Hyundai Sonota not so hot........ [reddogs]
Mar 04, 2006 (9:41 am)
No offense but your story doesn't seem to add up. Unless you have some kind of proof, the problem, as you described, sounds like a hoax. Thanks for participating, though
#6 of 77 Re: Hyundai Sonota not so hot........ [joe97]
Mar 04, 2006 (9:57 am)
Yeah, we want proof.
A polaroid photo of the car on the flatbed, affidavits from the lady and anyone else in the car, a character recommendation from her minister, and the name of the dog of the tow truck driver.
Or, we could accept that this sort of thing happens occasionally. I don't think any make and model is immune from it, and I don't see any reason not to accept the story at face value.
#7 of 77 Re: Hyundai Sonota not so hot........ [joe97]
Mar 04, 2006 (11:51 am)
Couldn't anyone say the same thing about ANY of the posts here on Edmunds?
Mar 04, 2006 (12:21 pm)
Hmmm, let me take a crack at this. I have test driven or rented a bunch of different models in the last 6-12 months, so I have one or two opinions on this subject.
Subcompacts: best value here, I think is not quite here yet. Once the Fit arrives, assuming it is about $13K for the base model as expected, I think that will be the number one. As for right now, the xA is the best value if you are spending $14K or so, whereas at the $10-12K mark I think it is the Accent, just because of the warranty and the overall driving experience. The Aveo comes close, but no cigar, and the warranty isn't anywhere near as good, for what is basically just another Korean car.
Compact: probably Focus right now, based on real-world transaction prices. The Corolla comes close, but the Focus is a bit nicer in some ways and a bit less expensive too. Plus, doesn't Focus have its own special longer-than-Ford warranty? The Civic, while a very nice car, is much more expensive, and has one or two odd features for my tastes. Cobalt is perfectly average, and with prices coming down for the '06 MY, is a good value too. This race for bext value is close.
Midsize: I have to say, the '06 Sonata is pretty impressive. Barring stories like the one above, they seem to have really got their act together, the warranty is still super-long, the interiors are on par with or better than many of the competitors. The drive is decent, I have discovered. I think the cheaper '06 Camrys give it a run for its money right now, only because the new model is a few weeks out and dealers are dishing out rock-bottom prices on '06s. Once that's over, Sonata is a clear winner. I do think the Accord is a good value too, but it is clearly more expensive to get into. And I like the Fusion in some ways, although stuff like partial-power seats makes me wonder why they only went 90% rather than 100. Malibu, uh uh.
Large cars - the Impala is the least expensive in the class, but screams rental and feels cheap even after the revamp. I haven't seen an Azera yet, can't say there. The Avalon is a great value if you are willing to spend more, but are mostly being built with lots of options and packages in typical Toyota style, so are quite expensive. The Lacrosse is kind of icky to sit in, and the rental I drove felt loose - the Impala is a better drive, as is the Avalon. The Lucerne is much nicer inside, quite impressive, although it should be given the price tag. Haven't driven it. The 300 has too much hard plastic for the price, drives well though. Hate, I mean HATE, the lack of outward visibility in that car. Is there a clear value winner in the large car segment? I don't know. Perhaps it is the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis, which I am happy to say I have never been near in person. I bet they sell for cheap though, and if you're going to suffer a cheap interior, at least you should get a cheap price with it.
#9 of 77 Re: best values [nippononly]
Mar 04, 2006 (3:59 pm)
It's much derided for its styling, but the Amanti might be worth some consideration in the large-car category. And don't forget the 500/Montego, though that might be stretching the "large" category a bit.
#10 of 77 Re: best values [nippononly]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 05, 2006 (10:45 am)
I'm with you...I shopped all the sub-compacts and the Scion xA stood out as the best value for the money. It's not the perfect car but for $14,000 you get Toyota quality, really high quality materials and a car that's fun to drive...and yes, you can stuff a mountain bike in it, too. Not a speck of trouble, either, and 33 mpg in the city going up those San Francisco hills. Compared to the Mini I wanted (the fastest one) at $32,000 (!!!!), I felt like I settled for less but not that much less.