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Apr 08, 2010 (5:32 pm)
I have been looking at a new Tundra. Wow! What a big disconnect in the shopping experience. I "built" my own Tundra on their web site and walked into a dealer to order it. Nothing too unique but I didn't want to pay anything extra for anyone's erotic dream. Just a basic cab, 4x4, 4.6, Tundra grade with the 8 foot bed and the tow package in Silver or Grey.
Turns out that you can't really "order" a Tundra. Rather the regional Toyota distributor orders them and your dealer tries to find one that is a close fit. Sorry guys. I'd like to order what I want, not what something thinks I want.
The resulting experience left me with a couple of questions:
Why do they even have a web site configurator if you can't order your own spec?
Why are there some options in the catalog like the payload package that are not on the "build your own configurator"?
Why can't you get the added payload package with the tow package? Wouldn't that be a natural? What is the payload package? It wasn't described.
Why do you have to buy a package with bigger wheels etc.if all you want are bucket seats?
I wonder what the extra layer of distribution, i.e, the 'regional distributor", adds to the price? Maybe 6%?
This is nuts. By adding the extra overhead inherent in a "regional distributor" set up and not letting the customer oder his own options Toyota is hurting themselves.
#794 of 838 Re: 4.6 or 5.7 [scottlaroque]
Apr 10, 2010 (1:13 pm)
Lets call a truce. The point I made is that the 4.6 gets over 10 percent better highway mileage and over 5 percent better city mileage. If you aren't towing heavy then it is an excellent choice especially for a lighter 2wd truck. The 6 cylinder should be discontinued unless they make it considerably cheaper on the double cab or replace it with a 6 that gets better gas mileage.
I meant that the 5.7 was the only choice before the 4.7 (forgot about the displacement change with the new engine) was replaced with the new 4.6. When the 5.7 got better mileage, the additional power was a pleasant bonus whether you really needed it or not.
It seems like it is hard to find a 4.6 Double Cab on the Toyota lots.
Apr 11, 2010 (1:05 pm)
lol, according to toyotas website the difference is 1 to 2 mpg differnce. thats it.
the difference in price on the RC is about 1200 bucks though, between the 4L and 4.6L with the mpg being about the same.
i have seen a fair amount of 4.6 L DC & CM but def not as many as the 5.7 L
#796 of 838 Re: ya sure [scottlaroque]
Apr 11, 2010 (6:07 pm)
10 percent better mpg on the highway is nothing to sneeze at if you put more than 15k miles a year on your truck. That is like 3-5 mpg difference on an econobox. Most people don't need 381 horsepower to take a few people down to Lowes to grab a few bags of mulch. The bigger engine is still very efficient for its output, but for the average big truck buyer, 310 horsepower will do just fine. Toyota needs to just drop the 6 on the Double Cab as it would even help the marketing. More base horsepower and better fuel economy to crow about.
Of course then you have "thrifty" Tacoma buyers with Double Cab V6s getting 17/21 or 16/20. That is even less of a percentage savings difference vs.a Tundra 4.6 than the savings of the 4.6 versus the 5.7 on the Tundra.
I don't even want to talk about Frontier buyers with their V6 getting exactly the same mpg as a Tundra with the 4.6.
#797 of 838 Extra Payload Package??
Apr 13, 2010 (5:44 pm)
Can someone tell me what one gets in the Extra Payload Package referenced in the catalog but not the Tundra website? Simply an extra leaf in the rear springs?
I wonder why you can't combine the Payload Package with the Tow Package?
I know we've agreed to a truce between the 4.6/4.7 people and those who opt for the 5.7 but lets consider one more thing. If you choose the 5.7 with the Tow Package you get bumped into a lower rear end ratio, ie., 4.30. That ratio is something you would see on a drag strip. I'll bet that the gas savings between a 4.6 w/o the Tow Package and a 5.7 with the Tow Package and the mandatory 4.30 rear end would be significant.
#798 of 838 Buying 2010 Tundra Double Cab w/ Long Bed 4x2 5.7L
Apr 14, 2010 (10:05 am)
Boy, I'm confused.....need help.
The dealer gave me a printout with all the equipment, options, etc.:
Total MSRP excluding taxes, title fees............$37,243.
Includes Base MSRP of $27,240.
Options totaling $8609
Manuf. Delv., Proc., &Hndling $795
Dealer Fees $599.
I live in Florida, so I'm subject to Southeast Toyota rules.
The options are as follows:
X-SP Tundra Package 4x2 (Reg. Bucket Seats) $4,870
SR5 Package $915
Cold Weather Package $160
Cloth Bucket Seats with Power $605
Daytime Running Lights $40
Deck Rail System w/4 Adjustable Tie-downs $135
Fog Lamps $110
Power heated outside Mirrors $30
Power Horizontal Sliding Rear Window $425
Toyoguard Plus Protection Plan $699
AM/FM/MP3 CD $510
18" Styled Steel Wheels $110
According to Edmunds, the Base MSRP is $28,230 without options, and the Base Invoice is $25,829 without options, so that's a 9.3% markup. My problem is that Edmunds doesn't list all of these options (like the biggest one, the X-SP Tundra Package $ 4870). As close as I can determine, the markup on the options they do list is 25%. So, if I was to try and determine the dealer's total invoice, it would be $25829 plus $ 6887 for the options ($8609 divided by 1.25), plus Manuf. Del, Proc & Handling $ 795 plus Dealer Fees $ 599. The total would be $34,110.
I know there's some negotiating room on those last two fees ( $795 plus $ 599), so what's a good price for this truck? Also, I notice there's a $3,000 Manufacturer-to-dealer rebate for "Marketing Support". Can I use this in the negotiations?
#799 of 838 Florida negotiating
Apr 14, 2010 (4:11 pm)
I wonder if the dealer is subject to SE Toyota price rules, or is each dealer completely free to negotiate "at will". I can imagine a situation where the prices are kept high, then are offset by high trade in allowances, in order to keep the market perception high. It seems the best reports here are on the out of state dealer.
Florida Toyotas, and other cars/trucks, seem to be priced a few thousand higher than some other areas. Or maybe I just look like a sucker.
I would be interested in Toyota and Chevrolet dealers in the Central Florida/Jax/Melbourne area who are willing to negotiate hard.
#800 of 838 Re: Extra Payload Package?? [blckislandguy]
Apr 14, 2010 (10:07 pm)
again? lol, guys these numbers are secret. go look up the mpgs on these trucks. there's not much difference between the 2 engines.
can't help you with the payload package though. maybe if you sacrifice another mile per gallon you can get that with a 6.2
#801 of 838 Re: Buying 2010 Tundra Double Cab w/ Long Bed 4x2 5.7L [jaxsteve1]
Apr 19, 2010 (5:24 pm)
Why don't you forget about how the distributor who inserts himself between your dealer and the factory configured what is still now "his" truck and start with a clean piece of paper? Advise you dealer that you don't want and are simply not going to pay for a truck in Jax FL that has
1) a cold weather package LOL
2) heated mirrors
3) A Toyo Protection Package
4) Dealer fees
And if you were me and I lived in Jax , I would also delete the
4) fog lamps
5) power sliding rear window (why do you want to suck leaves out of the bed and into the cab?)
Then I would ask the dealer to order me one with my options and give me an Out The Door Price. He'll protest because he knows that only smart buyers who comparison shop--like fleets--insist on a build to spec, out the door price. But why should you pay for what some clerk at a distributorship thinks YOU want in your new truck??
Frankly, although I like the Tundra as a product, GM is much easier to get along with. You can order anything you want and not be forced into options you don't want. For example, I ordered my 2008 Silverado LT Extended Cab 4x4 to have leather seats ($800) but no center console, standard size wheels and tires (I'm 5'10" and 65: why do I want 18" or 19" wheels?), the 5.3 engine ($700) because the Tow package at that time came with it and I wanted the extra coolers and the locking rear end, extra air bags but no sliding rear window, etc. etc. all for a net-net price (dealer invoice) of 31K.
Lets all remember who works for whom.
#802 of 838 Platinum Tundra Lease
Apr 19, 2010 (7:03 pm)
can someone give me the money factor and residual value on a crewmax 4wd platinum tundra? 36 mo 36k miles.