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#1933 of 2418
Re: Below Invoice [psychoticgas] by alamocity
Dec 22, 2008 (3:50 pm)
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Replying to: psychoticgas (Dec 22, 2008 10:07 am)

That sounds like a very good deal, was that for the automatic?
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Below Invoice by cpryan
Dec 23, 2008 (4:35 pm)
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I have been trying to convince several Honda dealerships in NJ to sell me a base model '09 Fit for $10,000 dollars cash. They all think I'm being absurd. Here's what I tell them to convince them that my offer is in fact very reasonable.
 
If you've been following the NYTimes (or any other major newspaper in this country) for the last few days, you know that all of the major car companies (all of them) just crashed into a brick wall. That wall is comprised of insanely overspent American consumers who can longer use their homes as ATM's to buy cars with, whose investment portfolios (assuming they had one) just got cut in half, who most likely owe their mortgage lenders more then their home is worth, whose job may or may not exist in a few months, and who have probably just been told by their credit card company that their credit limit is being drastically reduced. And that would describe someone in a good situation. To top it all off, the Yen will only continue to gain on the dollar as the Fed has made clear that it intends to flood the market with green backs to encourage interbank lending which is supposed to eventually help consumers somehow(?). Ergo, the Japanese companies need to sell these cars quickly to reap the greatest return. There is not a single piece of good news in this market for anyone trying to sell something like a new car, i.e. a very expensive item with a long life.
 
The party is truly over. The house is on fire. And, it is almost certain to burn to the ground.
 
If, over the last few years, you have been saving diligently, living within your means, and looking forward to the day that you had the SAVINGS (not credit) to make a large purchase, i.e. a car, this market is so insanely ripe for huge discounts it isn't even funny. Sadly, the dealers have not yet accepted this. They are clinging to the past, pathetically so. The dealers will be forced, eventually, to offer huge discounts or accept that they will not sell cars. Honda and Toyota are going to be forced to instruct their dealers to make these deals until the cars stop piling up at U.S. ports. It is all inevitable. Ah, the free market! Gotta love it when it works for you.
 
Hold out for a BIG discount. Think way beyond invoice. It's only a matter of time.
#1935 of 2418
Re: Below Invoice [cpryan] by fitisgo
Dec 23, 2008 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: cpryan (Dec 23, 2008 4:35 pm)

You can keep trying to convince Honda dealers to sell you a new Fit for thousands less than their cost, but it is not a reasonable expectation that any dealer will agree to that, unless they can somehow turn that major loss on one car into many new (unexpected) sales of additional Fits that are seeming to accumulate on their lots right now. I bought 3 new 08 Fit Sport automatics in the last 12 months for myself, me wife, and my son. The cars were all exactly the same except for color. The MSRP was $16,705. Bought them in Dec 07, Mar 08, and Jun 08. Invoice (without dealer holdback of about $500) was $16,122. I paid $16,322, $16,187, and $16,122 for the cars (vehicle only), cash purchase, no trade or financing. When the new 08 Fits were all gone and the new 09s were just arriving, the used values of 08 Fits (on Kelley Blue Book.com) were exceeding original MSRP. I consider those to be a great value in terms of price paid in exchange for the vehicles received. So realistically expecting to walk into a Honda dealer and pay $10K for a car that may have an MSRP of $19K (top of the line fit) with a bottom line of $17-17.5 car for invoice minus holdback, leaves the dealer with a loss of at least $7K. If you are successful at doing just this, please post the details to share with the rest of us.
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Re: Below Invoice [cpryan] by jacksan1
Dec 23, 2008 (7:10 pm)
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Replying to: cpryan (Dec 23, 2008 4:35 pm)

While all auto manufacturers are having a harder time these days, there is a significant difference between Detroit's Big 3 and companies such as Honda. Honda, after all this, is still projecting an operational profit of US $2 billion for the fiscal year (albeit it is about 1/3 of their initial forecast). The rise of yen is still contributing and likely to contribute to the drop in profitability, but the Bank of Japan, who has thus far not intervened, is very likely to step in and start buying USD (and dumping yen) massively in the near future. This is a virtual certainty if the current currency trend holds, since BOJ did it repeatedly when JPY was near this level before.
 
Even Toyota, whose forecast operational loss has been widely reported, is projected to have a net profit of about half a billion dollars (US) for the fiscal year, even though that's about 1/10 of what they were forecasting in the beginning.
 
The Japanese manufacturers are saying that they are hurting, and I believe them. The difference is, though, that their hurt is more like a bruise while Detroit's is more like terminal cancer.
 
What does this mean to us consumers?
 
Yes, there will be and are already deals to be had, even for Honda. However, just that Detroit is doing a fire sale does not automatically translate into the same for Honda or Toyota. Yes, it may turn into that if things get even worse, but I would hesitate to apply Detroit's desperation unconditionally to a company like Honda. They are hurting, yes, but it's a bad bruise, which may not require as drastic a sales move as GM, Ford and Chrysler, who all have a stage IV cancer.
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Is Honda Finance raping me? by fullframe
Dec 23, 2008 (7:11 pm)
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I bought my 09 Fit Sport and I been approved by Honda Finance Woodland Hills, CA. I signed everything, put $500 immediately and another check for $1000 that can only be used after two weeks. I thought the deal is done and final, but two days later I get a call from my finance guy requesting an additional down payment or a co-signer.
 
I told him I will put another $1000 and to give me another two weeks.
 
I really hope the Honda Review guy call me because I will give them the lowest score for the hassle they caused me. I should at least be compensated for this sudden change in the agreement.
 
What do you guys think? Should I threaten them that I will give them the lowest score or tell them I wont be shopping there anymore.
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Re: Below Invoice [cpryan] by absconfused
Dec 24, 2008 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: cpryan (Dec 23, 2008 4:35 pm)

This post is very entertaining. Even if Honda was hurting like the Big 3, which I do not believe they are, they still would not give that huge of a discount. There is no doubt that things have slowed for Honda. Loyal Honda customers seem to be going to the dealership trying to get invoice prices which in the past they have had difficulty doing. I witnessed deals being made on the Civic and Accords in this manner...And it is relatively easy to get a discount of three to five hundred dollars on the FIT as well.
 
Most Honda buyers are happy with invoice b/c they know they are getting a car with great resale value.
 
To walk into a Honda dealership and tell them 10000 cash is a deal is just funny. While cash is king, I hardly call 10000 cash when talking about a Honda...that's more like loose change.
 
Using cash helps a lot and I used cash and actually got the 09 FIT SPORT AT for 1500 off....this is where cash helps...you can help them meet their sales objectives etc...Still this was an unexpected deal and happened when I was looking at a pre owned FIT....
 
I am not sure why so many of us feel inspired to post a response to what seems like such an outlandish post...
 
Even with the Big 3, try making your offer for the Pontiac Vibe for 10000 and they probably might not take it either, depending on how the car is equipped but just for fun, maybe you should try that next...
 
good luck to you.....you might want to use a low interest credit card to pay for the remainder of the HONDA FIT and get some points while you are at it!
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Re: Is Honda Finance raping me? [fullframe] by absconfused
Dec 24, 2008 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: fullframe (Dec 23, 2008 7:11 pm)

I have no real advice as I am not really sure I understand what happened. Are you trying to make payments on a car that is on the lot already but you do not currently have the funds? Why are you writing post dated checks?
 
Listen, I do not want to be mean as I am sure you are very hard working and you just want to get your car and CA can be very expensive to try to live but it seems like you are operating on a layaway plan!
 
Seriously though, before you walk into a dealership, you should know how much you are approved for...HONDA has online applications and approval...I do not know what went wrong but with all the horror stories about financing, it would be so good to be able to avoid it by either having cash our signing up with a credit union to loan you the money.
 
Maybe you can put a stop payment on the check that has not been cashed yet?
 
It just sounds like you have no car buying experience and they know it and they are taking advantage of you b/c they see some sort of opportunity....
 
This is a mess!
Good luck and try to get someone to represent you like someone who has a lot of experience buying cars and let that person talk to the dealership.
 
You need to know your credit rating and how much you are approved for b/c if you are a high risk customer, then it could be they want more cash from you but of course they should have not changed the deal midstream!
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Re: Is Honda Finance raping me? [absconfused] by fullframe
Dec 24, 2008 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: absconfused (Dec 24, 2008 9:34 am)

Actually, I put $1500 down and then a few days later the finance guy called if I can put another down. I told him I'll give him another $1000 in two weeks, so the total down is now $2500.
 
I thought the deal is done and signed, but this shit pisses me off that I have to come up with another grand.
 
I'll give that dealer bad survey for sure, unless I'm compensated somehow.
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Re: Below Invoice [absconfused] by isellhondas
Dec 25, 2008 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: absconfused (Dec 24, 2008 9:28 am)

It's Christmas so I'll be even nicer than I usually am.
 
If. a couple of months ago, I had read someone's post where they were trying to buy a new Fit for 4000.00 less than the dealer paid, I would have thought it was a typo or someone trying to be funny.
 
Not anymore. In the past few weeks, we have had people make offers on cars that were beyond ridiculous. Then they try to tell us how we should be grateful, given the economy to accept their offers?
 
And they are SERIOUS!
 
Last week I got an email on a used Infiniti G35 that was priced at (I think) 26,000. This guy thought we should take 5000.00 for it!
 
The sky isn't falling folks, this is temporary!
 
Merry Christmas to all of you!
 
#1942 of 2418
Re: Is Honda Finance raping me? [fullframe] by absconfused
Dec 25, 2008 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: fullframe (Dec 24, 2008 10:17 am)

Well, I suppose putting money down on a car is not unheard of, but I am wondering if this car is in stock and also I am still wondering why the downpayment part of the deal changed. I guess I am wondering what if anything else might change next...
 
the interest rate? dealer addons that you do not want? etc, ect...
 
I do not know why a dealership would agree to give you compensation when they are trying to get more down payment from you and they are not stupid people so I cannot imagine this was an oversight by the initial finance person....the people who do the finance are pretty sharp usually....
 
well...best of luck to you but see what you can learn from this...don't think once you get this car you are out of the market for a long time...my 07 HONDA FIT SPORT was totaled and that is why I just got the 09 and a friend of mine got her car totaled about a year after buying it so you never know when you need to use your car buying lessons so try to read up on things and be more prepared next time ok?
 
take care!

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