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I agree about the Stream -- I think that it would be a perfect car for my needs too, and if it was announced in the next year, I'd wait to buy one. I like the styling and the efficiency of the package. Can't miss, especially here in Cda. I also think the Fit/Jazz would be a fun car as well. I like it better than the Civic SiR hatch that is coming. |
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As long as they can keep it as fuel efficient when it comes here. But somehow i get the feeling they're gonna up the hp when it crosses the pond, which would be awright as long as it doesn't turn into another gas guzzling minivan. Now if Honda up's the hp by adding the Civic's Hybrid Electric Engine I'd be grinning ear to ear. That probably wouldn't be too hard as the Latitude is based on the Civic platform too. Oh yeah Honda, very important: Don't forget to add a 110 volt outlet so I can tap on the hybrids stored power while camping or away from home. (Picture this: If people could brew in heavy traffic to work, wouldn't traffic rage cut in half? Of course accidents could double but at least we die happy... and the thought of watching attractive women dry their hair in bathrobes is worth the risk). |
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| This news just made my day, when can I order? I wonder what it will cost? Stream commands 2-4,000 euro premium over top end Civics in Germany. Could it go for CAN$21-$24K? I wonder what they are projecting in terms of volume. | |
Looks like we need a new discussion on this board, so I went ahead and took the initiative. Let's continue our discussion on the Honda Latitude here. Use your copy/paste so you don't have to re-write your message/s. Thanks for your participation.  Revka Host Hatchbacks & Wagons Boards |
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Folks, Do NOT be surprised if Honda does unveil a US version of the Honda Jazz at the next Detroit International Auto Show in January 2003. There's good reason for this: Honda will NOT stand idly by while Ford ships the Ford Fusion, which has been confirmed for the US market; the Fusion is based upon the latest Ford Fiesta platform. What I envision is a US market model with the following changes: 1. Somwhat longer nose and slightly larger front and rear bumpers for better crash protection. 2. A more powerful engine, possibly a 1.5-liter i-VTEC unit rated at around 105 bhp, as opposed to the 83 bhp 1.3 liter engine found on the models sold in Japan and Europe. This is similar to what Toyota did for the Echo, essentially a US-market version of the Yaris model sold in Japan. 3. Air conditioning will be offered as an option. 4. There will be two transmission choices, either a five-speed manual or a CVT automatic. It won't have the very high fuel mileage of the Japanese or European market Jazz but very likely the fuel mileage will be better than the Honda Civic HX five-speed coupe. Would Americans buy such a car? I think given the renewed interest in economy cars it could do well, especially if Honda can put the CVT automatic in the Jazz.
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After going gaga over the Stream/Latitude I just realized it was butt ugly and was not as fuel efficient as the Jazz. Man, they'd have to do some serious rework on that one to make it look better. Is it still in my list? Sure, for a 7 seater it would be the most efficient, fun to drive one. But it will be a major battle to get over the looks. I agree with the rest the front just doesn't stick together quite well either. And the rear quarter window ovals have been critized in the Ford Taurus SW years ago, so what gives?
I just can't get over how cute the Jazz is over the Latitude so I went back to the Jazz site to look over some of its 360* views.
Going thru the 360's made me realized how cute this thing looked in all angles, so good IMHO it should be able to compete with the MINI. It is not difficult to imagine tricked out Jazz's (yeah that should be the name here) zooming around should Honda provide an S version for the boy racer crowd. Forget about the Matrix or Scion, Honda can dominate that niche with only one model. Of course I'd go for the more fuel efficient models, but I can see the potential for the teeners. I would just hate how that'd affect insurance rates for the Jazz. |
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I hope the Jazz comes over hear, it certainly looks like a sharp little car -- nicer lines in my eyes than the Civic SIR hatch. Big question will be whether Honda thinks they will get enough volume to make it worth certifying for crash/emissions/fuel economy. Remember, they initially ditched the Civic hatch because the entry market had pretty much disappeared into Korean cars (Hyunda Accent/Daewoo Lanos) and into used cars. I don't see that the market will be much better, but here's hoping. Hey, Marcb, you mentioned over on the Latitude board that you had an Axxess once -- how was it? I'm considering a '94/'95 as an interim car till I can save enough pennies for a newer car. Any significant problems? I test drove one (in the rain) and it was very skitterish. It may have been the car/tires, but Consumer Reports once said it had dicey handling. Any real world concerns? |
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odman, i loved that van (sw?cuv?). It had innovation in spades. Mine was average in reliability until the 10th year when part's started dying in rapid succession. Prior to that the things I had to keep changing was the front CV boots (a lot!), tires (above normal). Had to change also the mufflers, struts, stabilizer bushings. Oh, i broke the spider gear once trying to induce a spin on an icy parking lot. That thingy felt zippy yet was very frugal with the tall OD gear. I'd get around 15km per litre hwy 10km city up til the goary end (around 37/25mpg). True! my complaint is the dicey handling (wind steer, torque steer, lean on turns) and a lot of wind/engine noise. The body itself felt rather flimsy: drive a wheel over a low curb and it twists willingly. The lite slide doors didn't give a secure feeling either (never crash tested, doubt it had cross bars). But most of this failings is prolly the way they designed cars in the late 80's (Remember they started selling it 1989). For me, the pros outweighted the cons for that era. Tall cabin w/ significant cab forward design (note the front quarter windows) Double sliding doors (a 1st) Sliding door roll down windows (a 1st) Large tilt glass sunroof Independent suspensions (a 1st in a van, sort of mixed blessing) 2nd row seat that tumbles forward level with rear cargo Very good fuel economy and manueverability, specially for the interior volume it offered Available AWD Available 3rd row of seats (rather useless but a germ of an idea). Loved the false rear cargo bottom for the spare tire! Stashed a lot in there too: snow shovel, blanket, sand, air pump, pressurized tire sealant, jump cables, front bulbs, oil and extra windshield washer and blades. I don't carry that much now even with a van. If you still go with it odman, test drive at 70+mph. Mine developed the shakes so bad passengers could see my hand move (warning! it shook less on wet road). Fix was a stabilizer bushing replacement. The independent suspension seem to cause the skittishness. Some CRV owners I know had the same problem with above normal tire wear as the Axxess. Also check to see if the exhaust manifold is cracked. |
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| Thanks very much for the thorough review! I see lots of them in the Toronto area, and some are still in great shape. I agree that the '89-vintage standards are something to watch out for. It was a very innovative van for its time. | |
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