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#51 of 4728 Fit in USA in 2003? I doubt it... by bsme1991 May 28, 2002 (8:50 pm)
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) has a 40 mph frontal offset test. Based on the picture and the driver score, Honda Fit is unfit for survival in tailgating SUV country as USA. http://www.osa.go.jp/anzen/html2002e/as114.html compare it to 2002 CR-V score: http://www.osa.go.jp/anzen/html2002e/as123.html
#52 of 4728 IIHS test same as in Europe? by civicw May 29, 2002 (4:14 pm)
Even though the larger CR-V does better in the above tests, the Fit still meets European safety standards, which I understand are the same as defined by IIHS.   Either Honda has to get the Civic 5-door, or the Fit here next year. I think they will modify the Fit in some way to meet IIHS requirements, but I agree that some people with SUV fear may not buy it.
#53 of 4728 What we need ... by perry40 Jun 30, 2002 (3:03 am)
I love the Honda Jazz/Fit models ... as do I the Ford Fusion, Toyota Yaris, Hyundai Lavita and all of those types of cars which unfortunately not marketed here in North America ... the SUV/Mini van (which aren't so "mini") of the 90's, pretty much up-sized all auto models marketed here in North Am. Hell, I recall back in the 80's, smaller cars were more the norm ... I myself owned an 85 Honda CRX ... one of the smallest on the road then and a fabulous car! What we need is more smaller, fuel efficient cars (similar to Europe and Asia) and less of these wasteful SUV's on the roads of North Am. In Canada, gas ain't cheap and it won't remain cheap in the U.S. forever either ... besides some of these sub-compacts are darned cute!
#54 of 4728 Maybe something a little larger... by AamirQ Jul 07, 2002 (11:04 pm)
I love the idea behind the Jazz/Fit, but I think it's a bit too small for the U.S. market. Back in 1988, a friend of mine bought a used 1985 Civic Wagon. To this day, that car has to be one of the most intelligent and space-efficient designs I've ever witnessed. It seated four six-footers with room to spare, and it could haul lots of stuff if one or both seats were folded down.   If Honda can import the current Civic Si 3-door from England, I don't see why they can't import the 5-door Civic hatchback as well. Sure, it might not look that great, but I think it will appeal to those who would consider a Pontiac Vibe or Toyota Matrix, but are put off by the cheesy "boy racer" design bits and want a more mature-looking vehicle.   In any case, if the Jazz/Fit doesn't make it to the U.S. in its current iteration, I wouldn't be surprised if a similar (i.e. one with the Magic Seat), but larger, Honda was introduced a couple of years down the road. Then again, that Honda Element is just around the corner... can't wait!!
#55 of 4728 Honda Stream by odman Jul 08, 2002 (7:35 am)
My choice would be the Honda Stream, a Civic-based MPV that is a bit smaller than the first-generation Honda Odyssey. I would buy one in a heartbeat. http://www.honda.co.uk/new.html
#56 of 4728 Re: Honda Stream by AamirQ Jul 09, 2002 (12:19 am)
These are just my opinions and thoughts...   1. I'm not crazy about the Stream's styling, particularly the C-shaped glass on the sides of the cargo area. It makes the rear cargo box look rather tail-heavy, as if the whole vehicle may tip back on its rear wheels.   2. To me, the concept doesn't seem all that different from the first-generation Honda Odyssey, although it is a bit smaller. I'm not a fan of seven-passenger vehicles with traditional swing-out rear doors; I prefer dual sliding doors. Having said that, I've never had the (dis)pleasure of climbing into the third seat of an Odyssey or an SUV, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be much different than climbing into the back seat of a 2-door coupe - something I personally dislike having to do. (Maybe it's because I'm 6' tall and weigh 230 lbs. I'm sure kids wouldn't mind as much...)   At this time, I'm more keen on five-passenger multipurpose vehicles, such as the VW Sharan (not sold in the US). It's too bad that vehicles like the early 1990's Nissan Axxess weren't more successful; although the Axxess had a clumpy ride, it was a pretty sound vehicle, conceptually speaking. I'd rather get a short wheelbase minivan, such as a Mazda MPV 3.0 V6, if I needed seven-passenger seating capability.
#57 of 4728 Stream by odman Jul 09, 2002 (4:01 am)
I don't mind the styling, it looks different than all the other boxes out there, and looks quite fun.   As for the seating capacity, I think most people who buy these cars don't actually use the jump seats in the back. They really are 5-seaters with the option of carrying an extra two in a last-minute pinch. I've got a 1st Gen Odyssey, and that's the way we use it. It's not practical for big families, but for us with two kids, its perfect, and the Stream would be too. I'm 6'5", and have ridden in the back row, and it is survivable, but not a lot of fun.   The Nissan Axxess was a great concept, but its execution was a bit flawed (skittish handling, especially in wet weather). It was sold in the US in 1990-91, but went on in Canada till '95. There's still lots on the road here. It had an optional AWD system, and in the early years could be had in 7-passenger configuration (those last two seats would have been inhumane!).   I have never understood why VW sells the Eurovan but not the Sharan in North America. The Sharan is much nicer to drive. The Opel Zafira would be good too, and I could see it being sold as a Saturn.   Now that it has a 3.0, the MPV is a decent small van. I wish Honda would bring over the Stream though, at least for Canada where gas is more expensive. Are you listening Honda???
#58 of 4728 by dudleyr Jul 09, 2002 (7:01 am)
I also like the stream and have a first gen Odyssey. I like the swing out doors much better than sliders (my 2 year old can open the door get in and then close the door safely - not the case with a slider), and the rear seat is actually much easier to get into than other minivans because the middle seat tumbles forward. I also don't have to use the rear seat as often because the middle seat holds 3 people.   The Sharan seats 7 not 5.
#59 of 4728 Fit/Jazz and Stream by mrnimmo Jul 14, 2002 (3:54 pm)
I'm not sure a Fit fits my lifestyle. I'm a big man and have three kids. Just don't see all five of us stuffing in there, or that being a capable work vehicle. This is a little smaller than a Geo Metro, right? I'm not sure I'd want to go any smaller than a 5 door Civic.   Stream seems very nice. I'm drooling over that 1.7 engine great mpg, and seating for 7. MPG 27/43 Imperial = 22/34 MPG US Gallons!!!!!! Wow!!!
#60 of 4728 Fit/Jazz , Stream by artdecho Jul 17, 2002 (5:14 am)
I think the Fit/Jazz is a great entry-level car, a great commuter, a great car for seniors (ease of entry) and students alike, singles (easy to put a mountain bike or 2 in the back) and small families. While smaller on the outside, it has almost the same interior room as a Focus, so it really is spacious for it's size. With highway mileage figures around 65 mpg., it approaches the gas mileage of hybrids at about half their cost. What's not to like!? As good as the Odyssey is, it's too big and burns too much gas for my needs. The Stream would be perfect, as the need to carry 7 would be only very occasional. The UK version has a sport-shift 5 speed automatic. Can't see any info on it being renamed the Latitude and coming here in 2003 or 4 (see posts in the SUV forum under Honda Element/Model X) but hope that comes true. A mild re-styling (especially the rear end) with a little more "attitude" would be welcome, with the 5 speed sport-shift and either the CR-V's or new Accords 4 banger........real-time 4WD would be nice too.

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