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#1389 of 4751 Fit vs Accent Hybrid vs Yaris vs Nissan Versa
Jan 09, 2006 (12:10 am)
007 Hyndai Accent Hybrid is expected to get combined 44.5 mpg, compared to 35.5 mpg for the Fit.
However, the Fit, at $13,000 + $550 destination 1.07(sales tax) = $14,500, now subtract $500 from haggling and add $150 or so for liscence and registration and you could drive out the door in a super reliable, good looking, utilitarian car, loaded with saftey features and pocessing AC and a decent sound system, for a mear $14,150.
Compare that to the exorbitant price of the Yaris, which charges for AC, SAB, SCAB and power features, and you see that the Fit beats the Yaris hands down. Its interior also looks better, in my opinion, but the Yaris will get 2 mpg better. Based on the price, I deem Fit the winner over Yaris.
Now the Hyndai. 9 mpg difference is huge, but Honda Civic Reliability according to CR is 45% above average while Hyndai Accent is 5% above average.
Assuming the Fit is as reliable as the Civic, the Fit has an edge in quality. Also consider the Accent Hybrid will cost some $15,000 base price, which means, (assuming no other options needed) that means a Accent Hybrid will drive out the door for $16,800, (assume no discounts because of popularity). So the price difference of $2500 for 9 mpg, and lower reliability and overall quality,(the fit interior looks much nicer than the 2006 accent, in my opinion). Overall, I think 35 mpg is acceptable as long as gas dosn't go over $3.5/gallon, so my nod is to the Honda.
I can attest to the fact that reliability is king. My Wife has a 1996 Pontiac Transport with 90,000 miles that has broken down 9 times, I drive a 1994 Corolla with 140,000 miles that has been in the shop 3 times, and still feels rock solid.
When I buy a car, I always choose the most reliable and drive it into the ground. I expect the new fit can go 300,000 miles total, or at least 20 years. Anything less would be disapointing.
Now the Versa, and its 38 mpg combined claim. Impressive if true, considering higher weight and a larger engine.
However, considering the crappiness of Nissan cars lately, and the terrible styling,(the current Versa styling is based on an old Peugot that makes the Versa styling old even when its new), mean I will probably stay away.
If MPG is what you crave above all else, I think you should be able to get the Hyndai Accent Hybrid for the same price, and the Accent is more reliable than the Sentra according to CR, and has a better warrenty regardless.
So in the end I feel that the Fit stacks up as such:
5 door wagons: wagons are by defenition always bettern than sedans, which are always better than coupes, in terms of comfort and practicality and typically, styling. Also consider the 5 modes availabe for interior configuration. My personal favorite is refresh mode, reclining the front seats all the way back and creating a decent sized bed for sleeping nights away on road trips. Save on motels, and believe me, as a man who has slept on bathroom floors and on airport floors, flat car seats are a luxury.
High quality interior: The interior looks better than my 1994 Corolla, and the 2006 Hyndai Accent, and its radio is superb. The Steering wheel is a thing of beauty and the Dash illimination is superb, with its blue over tones.
Comfortable: Should have good leg and head room, being tall and having 90 cubic feet of space.
Safe: 6 airbags, ABS, enough said, most Echos and Corollas can't be found with these necessities,(and necessities they are, without at least 6 airbags you are playing Russian Rulette, get hit and your dead as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow).
Well equipped: AC, Power everything, standard and a decent sound system and some short of magical seat. Compare it to Toyota and Honda treats you like royalty. A base Fit is all you need.
Cons: Fuel economy may not last 20 years. By 2010 fuel will probably reach $4/gallon and any car with less than 40 mpg will need to be recycled.
In these terms the Fit's MPG is an abomination and the engineers deserve to be executed for crimes against humanity. But then again, my current car gets 31 mpg combined so I guess its not that bad.
Conclusion: For the money the Fit is the best there is. I will buy one unless something better comes around by the time my 94 Corolla dies, around 2010, 2011.
I do expect the 2012 model year cars to offer dazzling tech and better mileage, considering the price of oil is sure to be $110 by then.
#1390 of 4751 Count me out!
Jan 09, 2006 (4:37 am)
What first attracted me to the Fit were mpg figures in some mag. that were in excess of 50 mpg. I have been following this forum for a while but this is my first post. Before I bought my Acura TSX 2 years ago I followed a TSX forum for almost a year.(I get 32-34 mpg on trips with this car and it is by far the best car I have owned though in a different class). I find these forums very informative and appreciate all the info everyone has passed along. I commute 150 miles per day and was looking to replace my Dodge Neon commuter.
I get about 36-37 mpg with the Dodge and it still has some life in it so I will hold off on replacing it in hopes something better comes along in the next 2 years. I watched the info coming across on the Detroit Auto Show and I am very upset about the Fit MPG. If I was going to buy right now I would get a Civic but that's just me.(More bang for the buck) I think Honda missed out on a great opportunity with the Fit. Good luck all with whatever you decide to drive!
Jan 09, 2006 (4:53 am)
Fuel in NYC Metro is back to over $2.55 a Gallon.
#1392 of 4751 Re: Fit vs Accent Hybrid vs Yaris vs Nissan Versa [agalas]
Jan 09, 2006 (5:22 am)
A couple of things:
* CR's reliability data on the Accent and Civic are based on previous-generation models. Since that Accent was designed in the late '90s, before Hyundai's quality push, it is possible (I think likely) that the new Accent will be more reliable than the old one. OTOH, the '06 Accent is a new design (as is the '06 Civic of course) while the Fit has been around a few years. So just based on that, the Fit could wind up being more reliable than both of them.
* Where did you see an announced price of $15k on the Accent hybrid? It could actually be more than that, since the base Accent starts at $13k with no A/C, no power package, no automatic.
Personally I like the looks of the Accent's interior much better than the Fit's, but the Fit's is much more versatile.
* The Versa is based on a Renault design, not Peugeot. I don't think it's bad looking at all, especially the 5-door, and it does seem to have an advantage in interior room and also fuel economy. The Fit will be less expensive with comparabel equipment, but I think the Versa is worth looking at. It has received a lot of praise in Europe.
Jan 09, 2006 (7:11 am)
Keep in mind that the 1992 Civic did not have to meet the IIHS crash tests. The Fit does, and is much heavier than that old Civic. Civics of the mid-'80s weighed under 2000 pounds. They too could get better fuel economy than the Fit. But I'd rather have the Fit in a crash.
Because of the IIHS and EuroNCAP third party crash test certification, that does explain why the US-market Honda Fit Sport weighs 2,550 pounds. But that's still nearly 500 pounds lighter than the Honda Civic sedans.
A couple of comments about fuel mileage:
1. The 2006 Civic does well for two reasons: 1) lower overall aerodynamic drag (note the very smooth overall body design and small frontal area) and 2) it uses the R18 SOHC i-VTEC engine, a far more modern engine than the L15A VTEC used on the Fit.
2. People forget that great fuel mileage reported from European Jazz models are based on the smaller L12A and L13A i-DSI engines sold there. While quite fuel-efficient, the i-DSI engines would have not been acceptable here due to the low performance of these engines (Honda UK quotes a 0-60 time of around 12 seconds for the Jazz powered by the L13A). Also, because the MPG numbers from the UK are based on the British Imperial gallon (about 20% bigger than the US gallon), that also inflates the mpg figure 20%.
I'd still take the Fit over the Hyundai Accent, Kia Rio and Toyota Yaris. The Fit has it all over these three competitors when it comes to interior fit (pun intended!) and finish, and because the Fit uses the excellent 5AT design from the 2006 Civic, acceleration performance will definitely be better than the Accent, Rio and Yaris with their 4AT units!
When the Fit finally gets its full-model change (probably in 2007 calendar year), I expect the car to weigh around 2,400 pounds (since the car will be designed from the ground up to accommodate all the safety hardware so Honda will have a better idea of where to do weight saving) and will likely use a new 1.5-1.6 liter I-4 based on the R-series engine block with its SOHC i-VTEC valvetrain. And unlike the current Fit, Honda will probably incorporate a much-improved Multimatic CVT that can be sold worldwide; I expect the next-generation Fit to get 36 mpg city, 42 mpg highway using 2006 EPA testing criteria.
Jan 09, 2006 (8:19 am)
not being mentioned is that you have to compare apples to apples. The Yaris may be whatever it is (A/C, BTW, is standard on the Yaris, contrary to what was reported above), but it is still only a 3-door or a sedan.
The Fit is a five-door. As I see it, the only real competition is the Rio5 and the Aveo 5-door. I have taken a look at both of those models, and I would take the Fit over either without another thought - I am sure it will be a much better driver, and about the same price at equal equipment levels.
But I am reminded that the only non-hybrid, non-diesel car on this year's list of top ten in fuel economy was the Toyota Corolla, and it appears that for 2006 this standing will remain unchallenged, despite the existence of a number of cars in the market with less weight and less power.
Jan 09, 2006 (8:43 am)
If it's just a matter of gearing and engine tweaking, perhaps a chip mod to tune the engine for efficiency rather than speed would solve enough of the problem to puch it to 40-42mpg highway. Honda did this for a couple of years with the Civic, afterall. They had a couple of models that they de-tuned by 5-10hp and gained a decent amount of mileage as a result.
#1396 of 4751 Re: humm.. [plekto]
Jan 09, 2006 (9:00 am)
I'm wondering if Honda has quoted the mpg numbers as real world mpg. There has been a backlash on the hybrids by people saying they are not getting 50-60mpg instead getting 45mpg as what I have heard for the Prius. Do the auto companies give their estimates to the EPA or does the EPA do their own??
#1397 of 4751 Re: Fit vs Accent Hybrid vs Yaris vs Nissan Versa [backy]
Jan 09, 2006 (9:06 am)
... but I think the Versa is worth looking at. It has received a lot of praise in Europe.
I didn't know the Nissan Versa/Tiida was sold in Europe... Are you sure about that? I could not see any mention of it on Nissan UK and France websites. I am interested by the specs of an Euro-market Versa.
#1398 of 4751 mpg figures
Jan 09, 2006 (9:09 am)
unless i'm mistaken, the mpg numbers are from honda and not from government testing.
if i'm correct, there's a lot of moaning and groaning without having all the facts. for months there's been nothing but speculation and guessing on this board... and it still continues.
wouldn't you all feel foolish if honda under estimated their mpg figures like they've done in the past?
hard to criticize a car before anyone has driven it. wait till the government mpg numbers come out or until this spring when you can get REAL input from REAL drivers