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#558 of 567 Review 2008 Sedona
Jul 05, 2011 (7:39 pm)
I bought a 2008 Sedona in June/July 2008. I traded in a Honda Odyssey with about 103,000 miles on it. The transmission was going and the power doors did not work properly. I had bought this used a few years earlier from a Honda dealer and was not happy with the purchase. I looked at new Honda Odyssey and Toyota Mini Vans, both were quoted in the $28-$30k+ range. The Kia was in the $23-$25k range (sorry, I just don't remember the exact price). While I contemplated the future trade in value, quality, status symbol (lots of Honda's, Mercedes and BMWs in my area), I decided on the KIA. My reasons were: 1) I won't be driving it much, my babysitter will put on the most mileage. Why do I need to pay to put her in a nicer car; 2) I have young kids (6 and 4 at the time). Kids are going to mess up the car. Again, why do I need to spend extra money to for someone to ruin the car; 3) Trade in will be less, but so is the initial cost - a wash in my mind; 4) Lower quality - I figure I will have to pay more for repairs, but the given the lower initial price - I kind of budgeted for that. I figure as long as I can spend less than an extra $2k, I am coming out okay.
#559 of 567 Review 2008 Sedona (cont.)
Jul 05, 2011 (7:52 pm)
I am now due for the 30,000 mile check up on my 2008 Sedona.
First, I had to have the timing belt replaced because it was making an awful noise. Apparently the pulley that tightens it doesn't work properly. This is a known problem. I called my dealer (not the one I bought the car from), and they fixed the problem under warranty (done around 20k miles).
The Brake Rotors are warped. (when braking, the car shudders) Again, this is a common problem - do an internet search, but is not covered under warranty. I didn't figure it out until too late. I haven't had them replaced yet, but expect I will have to pay for them. This will be part of my 30k service.
My original tires need to be replaced. 30k miles seem a little low for tire replacement, but again, I bought a KIA, and to keep costs down, the parts are not the highest quality. Again, these will be replaced at the 30k service. (Researching tires right now.)
My rear view cabin mirror broke yesterday. - Not the rear view mirror to see cars behind you, but the one that lets you see the kids in back seat.
Otherwise the car has been fine. Gas mileage is okay. Nothing great, but no complaints. My kids and their friends can all fit in it, even with car seat. I can carry lots of junk (we do lots of garage sales). Multiple Trips from North NJ to Maryland, Virgina, Philadelphia without any issues.
I see the complaints go up once this model style gets above 60k miles. I hope this is not true as I'd like to get the car into the 75-90k range before selling it.
Any questions or comments write to me at bagel3456gmail com
#560 of 567 Purchased a 2012 Sedona LX
Aug 31, 2011 (7:52 am)
I just purchased a 2012 Sedona LX with the $1500 power pack and $50 Wheel lock add on. MSRP for the car is $27250. I received the $2500 customer cash rebate, $1500 competitive car rebate and a dealer discount of $2444 bringing the adjusted price to $20,806 +ttl. I did trade in my vehicle so I don't know how much that assisted me in getting this deal. I hope this helps anyone looking.
#561 of 567 Wow, I can't touch anything like the prices quoted here
Sep 15, 2011 (8:38 am)
For starters, every dealer was out of 2011 Kia's by June. The lowest I saw was ONE 2011 EX, advertised for $23K, list $30K (or something like that), yet people posting here seem to be getting TEN THOUSAND OFF sticker price. WTF?
Furthermore, what I want is a clean used Kia. I was told they had the worst resale prices in the industry -- literally, the lowest. But USED Kias (and Hyundai Entourages) are at such a premium, I have been beaten out 3 times, to buy a 4 year old vehicle at $13-14K. That's not cheap, if the owner (according to older posts here circa 2008-2009) were paying only $18-19K for a brand NEW Sedona EX; that means it barely depreciated at all in 4 years and 50K. What is going on here?
I do notice that Kia's (and many other cars) have had exploding price increases. Some of this is going for what I consider very unnecessary options (that are now unavoidable) like power sliding doors and liftgates, rear parking cameras, and so on. They've made a very affordable vehicle now almost as pricey as a Honda or Toyota, without the supposed resale value.
4 years ago when I bought my last minivan (Nissan Quest), I paid $11K. In 2005, I bought a minivan -- $11K. In 2002, I bought a minivan -- $11K. Prices were incredibly stable. These were ALL 4 year old vehicles with less than 50K miles.
Yet this year, I can't TOUCH anything for $11k or close. The lowest prices are Kia's, but are rarely under $14K -- that's a 40% price increase! Furthermore, dealers are very arrogant....act like they don't care if you buy or not. Or that they always sell at "full asking price". Yesterday, a dealer dragged me across town (60 mile round trip, with gas at $3.79!) to see a dirty, stained, scratched Hyundai Entourage, which I could not drive (it hadn't been to the service dept) and demanded $14K, and that they were not giving up so much as $1 on the deal. And he had a another buyer -- she went to lunch while he was supposedly evaluating her trade, and in that hour, he was trying to sell to me! behind her back! nice guy! -- and mind you this for a car I was not permitted to drive, filthy, scratched, etc. He was not negotiating. He didn't have to, because he claimed "everyone wants minivans".
Of course, other dealers and common sense tell me most carmakers aren't even producing minivans, due to low sales, and even Kia is discontinuing the Sedona after 2012! (The Entourage is long gone.) That means of course, NO lower price minivans, just Hondas and Siennas for $40K new, $25K used.
I'm just having horrible, horrible problems buying a Kia Sedona EX (2006 or newer) or a Hyundai Entourage in the NE Ohio area -- I'm no youngster, and have bought many cars, and 4 vans and I've literally never seen anything like this. The dealers practically spit on me when I walk in the door (if they even acknowledge my presence). I've had handshake deals, and deals with actual buyer agreements that were violated, as they sold cars out from under me, sometimes by only an hour or so ("we're a first come, first serve business").
In the past, I could usually PICK the best used van from a selection of 4-5 -- now I can't find ANYTHING. The prices are way, way up -- this makes NO SENSE if (according to older posts here), people were paying IN THE TEENS for Sedonas just 3 years ago!!!! And dealers are not dealing at all. I mean literally. Literally, yesterday a dealer told me he did not have to lower his asking price one cent to make a sale. He didn't need the sale. He didn't even have to clean the car to sell it! He did not have to let me test drive it. That's how CONFIDENT he was to sell at full asking price, 40% over what I have paid in the past.
I don't get it. I'm doing something wrong -- what? What is it I have to do to find a new (used) van?
#562 of 567 Re: Wow, I can't touch anything like the prices quoted here [grrldriver]
Sep 23, 2011 (1:46 pm)
Well all I can tell you is the price of the Sedona seems to be going down. I bought my car from Superior Kia in Cincinnati. I would recommend checking out their website deals on a Sedona, call them or email and see what they would do for you on an EX and then use that as leverage for your area or travel down to Cincy. I was able to get such a good deal because I qualified for all but the military discount. Good luck to you!
#563 of 567 Re: Wow, I can't touch anything like the prices quoted here [grrldriver]
Sep 27, 2011 (8:04 pm)
Couple of points.
You're asking why are used car prices so high? Because that financial implosion in 2008 drove down car sales to levels we're still haven't recovered from (remember the implosions of Ford & Chrysler). Before that the industry was selling 16M vehicles / year in the US. I don't believe the US will crest 12.5M this year and the past two years have been better than late 2008 and 2009.
In other words, there are that many fewer new cars being sold, most buyers for many reasons (credit problems, debt reduction, declining household income, etc.) can't afford new and are gobbling up used cars driving up prices. It's gonna be this way for another few years too.
So, best option is to buy new, second best is to keep what you got and if neither of those works, buy used.
Finally, I have a 2006 Sedona EX (in SW Ohio) that I got a good deal on back in early 2007. I can't imagine selling private party for anything close to the prices you're being quoted, because I just can't imagine anyone paying it. I'm probably ~12 months from being ready to sell, but given there are at least some people trolling these boards, I'll post back here when it's up for sale.
btw-I'm still lamenting the deal I didn't act on in Dec 2008. I was quoted $8K off a new WRX STi (Yark Subaru in Toledo) and was eligible for 0% financing for 60 months. I declined the deal. Three and half years later I can't buy that car used for the same price, nor with that interest rate. A lot has changed in the car buying world.
Sep 27, 2011 (9:50 pm)
Anyone recently bought 2011 Sedona Lx? The 3000 dollar incentive sound attractive. Plus, some dealer discount.
#565 of 567 Current Incentives?
Oct 26, 2011 (2:16 pm)
I have some questions re: the current incentives. I see 2 $2500 cash offers based on Edmunds data. One is Retail 'Customer Cash', the other is Lender 'Bonus Cash'. Not sure if those two can be combined or not. If so, the deals are back!!! There's also the Loyalty and Conquest bonuses are $1500 respectively.
So if you can combine the Customer Cash ($2500) and Bonus Cash ($2500) along with either the Loyalty or Conquest ($1500), you're talking $6500 off BEFORE any dealer discount. Got an inquiry in with a local dealership to confirm.
I'm thinking they can be combined because I see 3 2012 EX's discounted $7500 on a local dealer website, (Jeff Wyler Kia Easgate).
#566 of 567 Re: Current Incentives? [typer_801]
Oct 27, 2011 (8:53 pm)
That is excellent if the rebates can be combined - to get a loaded EX w/ luxury pkg and navigation for 26900 (34400 - 7500) is great.
Let us know if they can be.
#567 of 567 Re: Wow, I can't touch anything like the prices quoted here [grrldriver]
Dec 20, 2011 (8:57 am)
You may want to look at a used Chevy Uplander or Pontiac Montana SV6. These vans depreciate quickly. I recently bought a 2007 Uplander LT with 55k miles for just under $12k (taxes included). My 2007 model still had 11 months of the 5 year or 100k mile powertrain warranty. These vans have some issues but if they have been fixed under warranty like mine was then it could be a decent buy. Avoid models with the power sliding doors as they have been very problematic. Good luck.