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Is surge on upshift normal?
by ichor0416
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Apr 20, 2008 (1:59 pm)
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I test drove an '08 4dr si yesterday and liked it, but there are two things that troubled me. When I upshifted from 2nd to 3rd to 4th gears, immediately after each shift, the car would surge ahead just a bit, as if synchro was confused. I'm an experienced driver, having let the clutch travel all the way up before hitting the accelerator. The surge occurred in the millisecond before I even hit the accelerator! Is this standard si behavior? The second thing that troubles me is all this stuff I've been reading about the car's reluctance to get into 3rd gear, and TSB 08-020 (which I haven't been able to find a copy of on the web). I'm considering the si w/ Nav for invoice price. If anyone knows if it's possible to get lower, let me know! Thanks for your help.
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- #439 of 487
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Re: rpm hang between shifts- anybody else annoyed? [tayl0rd]
by bb1913
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Apr 29, 2008 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Mar 21, 2007 3:46 am)
We have a 2007 Honda Civic Si that always had the hanging throttle problem and the annoying sticky 3rd gear...today I learned that my clutch is totally destroyed (they have to pull the transmission to confirm that the wear is "even" so they can tell you that it is from "extreme" use not parts or materials!). Just over 18,000 miles...now its a $1300.00 dollar job. I've had 3 Saabs that went to 200,000+ each without any clutch issues whatsoever and the car belongs to my "drives like an old lady" wife. I now learn that this is a cronic problem and I regret having purchased this car since the dealership isn't being upfront and their suggestion that it is a problem we created by some kind of driving style. Last time I checked, you need to use the clutch to move the car forward. So be forewarned Honda owners...that clutch is on the way out and it's your problem not Honda's.
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Re: Is surge on upshift normal? [ichor0416]
by bb1913
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Apr 29, 2008 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: ichor0416 (Apr 20, 2008 1:59 pm)
Hi I just posted my experience with the Si hanging throttle, clutch and 3rd gear problem. So if that didn't get your attention and you're still going to gamble on this car you should note that I purchased the extended warranty when I bought the car and the burned out clutch wasn't covered since they blamed it on excessive use (my wife must ride the clutch all the time!). Funny how our 3 Saabs went over 200,000 each with her being the principle driver in each (by a factor of 10...I work at home and she travels). No doubt its a fun little car...but Honda doesn't seem to back it up. They have lost us as future customers forever.
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The clutch isn't
by cz75
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Apr 30, 2008 (8:46 am)
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the weak point on the car that the third gear synchros are. They aren't related, as best I can tell. Perhaps you had a flaw with the engagement of the clutch, but I'd tend to believe that there's something about the engagement that you and/or your wife just aren't reading it right and causing premature wear, especially since this is one issue few people complain about. Be thankful you never drove the 90-93 Integra, as that car had an abrupt clutch that was hard to engage.
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Re: Is surge on upshift normal? [bb1913]
by amcgleno
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May 20, 2008 (8:47 pm)
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Replying to: bb1913 (Apr 29, 2008 6:38 pm)
I have also had this problem
I bought a red 2006 civic si on December 26th, and by early March at 18,000 miles the clutch went out. Cost me 1650.00 to fix. My third gear is all jacked up, pops out and grinds. My hubby has a 07 si and his 3rd gear does the same. Apparently the dealership claimed i raced the crap out of the vehicle and said it was under 'wear and tear'... love the car but i HATE the service.. a new car off the lot and 2 months later a new clutch.. see a problem there?
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Re: Is surge on upshift normal? [amcgleno]
by rb2363
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May 21, 2008 (4:09 am)
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Replying to: amcgleno (May 20, 2008 8:47 pm)
I have an 07 Si and had the same problem with 3rd gear not engaging and sometimes popping out. Took it to the dealer. There was a maintenance bulletin about this problem. Apparently the original transmission fluid was subpar and they replaced it with a higher grade fluid. That was about 3 or 4 months ago. Haven't had a problem since.
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great gas mileage!
by rhester
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Jun 11, 2008 (10:32 pm)
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I've had an 08 fiji blue si sedan for about 4 months now. I don't know whether I've sub-consciously adjusted my driving technique to account for the 3rd gear surge or whether they've fixed it for the 08's but I can't say I notice it.
One thing I do notice though is my average of 31 mpg! Admittedly I do mostly highway driving (about 80%) but still, I wasn't expecting to actually beat the EPA figures. I don't drive like a grandma either...who does in an Si? 
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Re: rpm hang between shifts- anybody else annoyed? [bb1913]
by dvoros
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Jun 12, 2008 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: bb1913 (Apr 29, 2008 6:28 pm)
I just had this happen to me. The car has 10,000 miles on it and is a year old last month. There is no way that they can tell me that I drove that car so poorly. Can you provide me with info or links that shows this to be a problem and not with just you and me.
Thank you
dvoros lccc.edu
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Re: Is surge on upshift normal? [amcgleno]
by dvoros
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Jun 13, 2008 (5:40 am)
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Replying to: amcgleno (May 20, 2008 8:47 pm)
My car has 10,000 plus miles on it and was a year old last month. This week my clutch is completely burned up. I had difficulties shifting into 3rd gear as well. They say its not a manufacturers defect......yeah right! Can we say Lemon Law?
Has anyone researched this issue to see how wide spread this problem is? I would appreciate any assistance.
Thank you
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Re: rpm hang between shifts- anybody else annoyed? [dvoros]
by rb2363
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Jun 13, 2008 (5:54 am)
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Replying to: dvoros (Jun 12, 2008 4:44 pm)
Through research and talking with my service rep I have found out the rpm hang is normal. It's just annoying. I've read and been told it is not harmful. Not familiar with your clutch problem. I haven't heard of any clutch problems. The shifting into 3rd gear however is a documented problem with Honda. I was having the same problem. Hard getting it into 3rd and sometimes slipping out of 3rd. After a couple trips to my dealership they discovered a maintenance bulletin for this problem. It seems that the transmission fluid put in at the factory was substandard. The fix was to drain the tranny fluid and refill with a better fluid. I had this done 3 or 4 months ago and I haven't had one occurrence of 3rd gear giving me a problem. So ask your service rep to check for this maintenance bulletin next time you go in. Hope this helps.
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