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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [spikepark] by tayl0rd
Apr 10, 2008 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: spikepark (Apr 09, 2008 12:50 pm)

...why does Honda not make a Automatic version of the Si...
 
Because it's not made for
 
...non-race inspired drivers...
 
You can't have your cake and eat it, too!
 
...the seats, rims and spoiler on the Si are awesome and not something that can be bought for the regular Civic...
 
Why not? Honda dealers have an accessory department.
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [spikepark] by will26
Apr 10, 2008 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: spikepark (Apr 09, 2008 12:50 pm)

I agree. I would have also bought the Si if it came in an automatic. I've heard the same complaint from 2 other people as well.
 
I went with the EX in the end but changed it up a little by getting rid of the chrome grille and putting a spoiler on. I also put fog lights on. Makes it look a little sportier.
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [spikepark] by lilengineerboy
Apr 11, 2008 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: spikepark (Apr 09, 2008 12:50 pm)

I don't know about that. The Civic SI si a special vehicle pretty much designed for amateur motorsports, like the Integra Type-R, every Civic SI before it, and cars like the SRT-4 and Subaru WRX STI. It has a limited slip differential like the manual transmission version of the Sentra SE-R and other high performance FWD cars.
 
If all the posers need is a wing, a body kit, and seats, I think that could all be effectively taken care of at the dealer and not necessitate a new model, especially given the number of sales gained, the premium fuel requirements, higher purchase cost, etc.
 
I don't know, I kind of feel that if someone wants a specialized piece of equipment, they should know how to properly operate it.
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [lilengineerboy] by kork13
Apr 13, 2008 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 11, 2008 3:30 pm)

"if someone wants a specialized piece of equipment, they should know how to properly operate it."
 
very well-said, i agree completely. No more needs to be said (though much more could be said...)
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [kork13] by spikepark
Apr 14, 2008 (8:12 am)
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Replying to: kork13 (Apr 13, 2008 1:15 pm)

Well, thanks for the positive feedback everyone!
 
All I have to say is that I am having a lot of fun driving the Sentra Se-R AUTOMATIC! The paddle shifters are a good addition as well, once you learn how to use them. It is much easier than having to use your right hand to shift with an outdated manual car.
Continuously variable transmissions are the wave of the future. Race inspired cars engineered automatic with the paddle shifters to add a genuine touch. Check out this article:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/automoblog/- entries/2006/11/30/post.html
 
All that I am asking is for Honda to consider an automatic version of the Si- with downgraded horsepower as in the Se-R. If it is working for Nissan why not try it with Honda?
 
Maybe some positive feedback from someone?
 
FYI- I do currently lease a Honda Civic EX and do not want to switch to Nissan when my lease is up!
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [spikepark] by shipo
Apr 14, 2008 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: spikepark (Apr 14, 2008 8:12 am)

Outdated??? You gotta be kidding. Until automatic transmissions are neurally wired into your brain and can read your thoughts, there will be no replacement for a true manual transmission. Why? Simple, with a true three pedal manual, not only can I select the gear I want, when I want it, and for as long as I want to hold it, but I can instantaneously adjust the speed of the gear change as well as the intensity of the clutch engagement as the surrounding traffic dynamics dictate.
 
To this date, no automatic, not even Audi's highly regarded DSG can match a true manual for versatility and control of a vehicle.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [spikepark] by lilengineerboy
Apr 14, 2008 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: spikepark (Apr 14, 2008 8:12 am)

Its not an issue. You should buy what you like and what you like driving. I personally never found it difficult to use my right hand to shift. Nor have I found anything outdated about getting more power and more efficiency than a slushbox Sentra. Perhaps if you took the time to master something, you would enjoy it.
 
Continuously variable transmissions are the wave of the future.
 
I haven't heard that since oh about 1989 (yikes is that 20 years ago) when the Subaru Justy came out. I think it will be true for hybrids and very low power/low demand situations.
 
Race inspired cars engineered automatic with the paddle shifters to add a genuine touch
 
A sequential manual transmission is different than a slushbox. It is more like a motorcycle transmission than a torque converter.
 
All that I am asking is for Honda to consider an automatic version of the Si- with downgraded horsepower as in the Se-R. If it is working for Nissan why not try it with Honda?
 
Given the discounts I see on the automatic SE-Rs, I would argue it is not working so well for Nissan.
 
You have to buy what makes you happy. I guess I don't understand why you would want to take a specialized vehicle, designed for a specific task, and dumb it down, slow it down, and make it less fun to drive as opposed to just learning how to drive it properly.
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [lilengineerboy] by tayl0rd
Apr 15, 2008 (4:03 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 14, 2008 3:27 pm)

... I guess I don't understand why you would want to take a specialized vehicle, designed for a specific task, and dumb it down, slow it down, and make it less fun to drive as opposed to just learning how to drive it properly.
 
Agreed 100%! I'd love to have a sport bike, but I've never been taught how to shift a motorcycle. I don't go around whining, "Why can't motorcycle manufacturers make sport bikes with automatic transmissions?" That would be ridiculous! It'd take all the "sport" out of a "sport bike." Now this will ruffle some feathers, but I feel the same about convertible sports cars/sport coupes. Why take a great car and ruin it by chopping the top off?? And an automatic, convertible sports car/sport coupe has got to be the most poseriffic thing in the world! (Mustang V6s excepted since they aren't about performance, anyway; but the GT and above, yes.)
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [tayl0rd] by lilengineerboy
Apr 15, 2008 (6:55 am)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Apr 15, 2008 4:03 am)

Agreed 100%! I'd love to have a sport bike, but I've never been taught how to shift a motorcycle.
 
Don't be afraid of that. Its not hard to learn. The hand operated clutch on a motorcycle is super easy to get used to and modulate. You just roll on power as you let out the clutch.
 
I feel the same about convertible sports cars/sport coupes. Why take a great car and ruin it by chopping the top off?? And an automatic, convertible sports car/sport coupe has got to be the most poseriffic thing in the world! (Mustang V6s excepted since they aren't about performance, anyway; but the GT and above, yes.)
 
Sometimes, the car is about being a convertible and not about being sport. The Sebring, old school MBZ SLs, etc are in this category - they are fun but hardly sporty. Sometimes, the convertible part is part of what makes the car sporty (MGs, Triumphs, Boxster, Miata).
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Re: Civic Si vs. Sentra Se-R- Automatic transmission [shipo] by day9
Apr 15, 2008 (3:29 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 14, 2008 9:05 am)

Hi, Shipo,
 
You sounds like an expert. I just got a si 2 wks ago. It is my first manual car and it is pretty hard for me to learn. But now I begin to enjoy driving it. 4th gear is my favorite, the car has lots of power.
But at the light, I am always slower than others. Can u share some secret how to get off the line quick? Thanks,
 
Mike

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