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Replying to: sabastian (Sep 19, 2007 8:24 am) the steering is lighting fast on the si, plus, despite the torque disadvantage, it weighs significantly less than the gti, hence the nimbleness. the gti has a great interior, but just like my rabbit, its a bit stark, and you will tire of it more quickly. |
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Replying to: eldaino (Sep 20, 2007 7:30 am) While the Si represents better value over the GTi, has quicker steering, and the promise of Honda reliability, I think I'm going to have to go with the GTi. Here's why...I've always been a fan of European simplicity and class, and the GTi has that in spades. The interior is not as interesting as the Si, but it has lots of little touches that make it feel special (guages, flat-bottom wheel, plaid seats). I also am a fan of the GTi's more usable power band and the DSG gearbox. Sure, it doesn't have the handling of the Si, but it still likes to have a play. Finally, I've always been a hatchback fan (current car is a Saab 900), and I think I would have a tough time adjusting to a sedan-type car. My next step is to look for an '07 GTi that a dealer wants to unload to make room for the '08's. Thanks for all your help...sorry I decided to go against the Honda. I still think the Si is a great car, and I recognize that it is better than the GTi at many things, but for my situation and tastes, the GTi wins.
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Replying to: sabastian (Sep 21, 2007 8:31 am) I bought an '07 Si Sedan after test-driving the GTI and Mini Cooper S. The Mini is definitely the sports car of the bunch. It feels the quickest, has ample power everywhere on the tach, has heavy, quick, direct steering, and has amazing handling. The ride is stiff but not unreasonable. The interior is just too quirky for me (the turn signals would drive me insane very quickly), and in the end I couldn't justify a 2-door with a tiny, tiny back seat. The GTI feels the most "mature". It has a very refined interior, comfy seats, and lots of interior space. I didn't find the ride or noise levels to be that different from the Si (unless you're talking about an Si above 6K rpms, which is a different story...). The steering feels well-weighted and direct, but distinctly slower than the Si. Then there's VW reliability. After 50K miles, who knows how often the GTI will be in the shop? The Si has everything I was looking for and is several thousand less than a comparably-equipped Mini or GTI. It has very quick, direct steering. The effort is a touch lighter than the others, but still offers plenty of road feel. It corners very flat and has ample grip (and I have the all-seasons). The ride is pretty firm (though I wouldn't say "harsh", but on long road trips I'd probably opt for our Passat wagon. It isn't the quietest car on the road (you definitely hear the exhaust note even at low rpms), but it's liveable. I actually like the interior, including the gauge setup. I think it's more legible than the GTI (and WAY better than the Cooper). The seats are the most comfortable of the three, in my opinion (though I wouldn't mind adjustable lumbar support...) and really hug you in the turns. The trunk is quite roomy, and the back seat is perfectly fine. The shifter has the shortest throws of the three and has very good feel, but can be notchy at times, and 6th is hard to find. Also, third gear has been an issue with many Si owners. I've heard that changing the transmission fluid improves things considerably. Power down low is pretty good, but not earth-shattering. Shift at 3000-3500 and you'll get 28+ mpg. Shifting at 3500-5000 rpms feels very sporty and good for normal driving. Above 6000+ rpms, the driving experience is TOTALLY transformed. You feel like you're driving a $20K Ferrari, if such a thing existed. The engine screams like a race car, the scenery blurs, and you just hang on until the shift light starts to blink... it's completely addictive. The others I test drove just didn't grab me the way the Si did, and in the end that (coupled with better value) was what sold me. |
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Replying to: sabastian (Sep 21, 2007 8:31 am) even though i love the high rpm thrills and flat cornering of the si, the gti's powerband, stability and classiness are unmatched. if its of any consolation, i had a mkV rabbit, and i drove her to 28k without any problems. VW really upped reliability with the MkV's, even if it still falls short of honda standards.
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Replying to: eldaino (Sep 27, 2007 8:32 am) 
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Wait for a new Si sedan or get an '07 Accord V6 EX-L w/ Nav and 6-speed for close to the same price?
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Oct 09, 2007 7:49 am) |
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| For those who still want it the USASpec PA11-HON2Y adaptor still works. It can work with the XM radio. It's cheaper but Honda is working on a new ipod adaptor. | |
| MSRP with Dest., Wheel Locks, Splash Guards, Auto D/N Mirror/Compass with Attachment, and Trunk Tray $22,477. Paid $21,800 (w/o options would have been $21,000). Went ahead and paid $299 up front as well for lifetime window tint once the vehicle arrives (Rallye Red). Loaner car and free car washes from dealer. 2.9% for 36 mos.. Relatively painless process. Original price quote was $25,000! Another quote from another dealer was $22,500 without any options. Two dealers failed to offer a price by mid-afternoon today following request from yesterday evening. | |
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Replying to: teasip (Oct 11, 2007 3:16 pm) |
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