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eye candy by k5ldb
Aug 20, 2007 (11:23 am)
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Isn't the Mugen primarily assorted eye candy with not much else?
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yeah by iomatic
Aug 20, 2007 (11:56 am)
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Supercharged price, not supercharged engine.
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Re: eye candy [k5ldb] by kork13
Aug 20, 2007 (1:00 pm)
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Replying to: k5ldb (Aug 20, 2007 11:23 am)

That would be a fairly accurate description... all just a bunch of appearance stuff plus a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels. That's about it.
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Re: eye candy [kork13] by k5ldb
Aug 20, 2007 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: kork13 (Aug 20, 2007 1:00 pm)

Just took another look at it and it has an exhaust system, suspension and wheels/tires that could improve performance/handling along with the eye candy stuff. It says "will carry an under-$30K price tag" which sounds like marketing talk for $29,995 or something like that. Even if they are starting with the Nav car at $23,040 that's almost $7k extra and if it's the base car at $21,290 it's closer to $9k.
 
A little surfing yields a complete ground effects/wing package for $1244, coilovers for $1098 and Magnaflow exhaust for $498 totalling $2840. A really nice set of 18's could be had for say $2k and installation of everything for maybe $1k so for less than $6k one could easily create their own. If one is selective in wheel choice the entire package probably comes out about $5k and if one can do their own installation about $4k covers it.
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Re: eye candy [k5ldb] by eldaino
Aug 21, 2007 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: k5ldb (Aug 20, 2007 2:23 pm)

your right, but whatever body kit you are talking about wont have the same fit and finish as the mugen stuff....
 
this is the thing that is hard to comprehend and yet accept at the same time.
 
Mugens stuff is pretty much equal to if not BETTER in quality to what honda already puts on their vehicles...and hondaphiles know this. And they KNOW how to tune a car...they have the civic type r pumping out 250hp NATURALLY ASPIRATED! Granted it probably costs a bit, but if there was engine work done instead of the visuals, it would make such a stronger case for the car.
 
Mugens stuff has ALWAYS been expensive. But in the real world, outside of jdm mania, 30k buys you a lot, hence why i don't think anyone interested in this car is interested in the most bang for you buck, as the regular si already offers that. This is a limited edition model that will hold its value like the r32 has after its already out of production, and will be sought after by enthusiasts.
 
I love mugens products, but outside of engine/suspension/exhaust/wheels, the stuff (visual sytling) IS overpriced. Its the absolute best you can buy, but it is overpriced. And for the american market, we could have done much better with a type r.
 
Do the amount of parts put on the mugen equal a 30k tag? yeah they do, mugen really does charge that much for their stuff. But considering how honda is marketing it,(a much sportier, not just cooler looking civic) its not worth it, unless you REALLY want your civic to look like the mugen. Can you imagine what you could do with an si sedan with an extra 7 k? This car is cooler looking, but its only slightly sportier, not 30k sportier.
 
So i guess the REAL problem is how much mugen charges...not the existance of a limited edition si sedan. It looks great, and those wheels are incredible looking, and i'm sure that the combo of aerodynamic functional body moldings and lightweight wheels does equal a civic with better track performance...but its just to pretty to be beaten!
 
I do think the car is cool, but if i did have 30k, it would be for an sti or r32.
 
If i really wanted to go mugen, id invest in some wheels or some engine tuning components. I'd worry about uber expensive (albiet functional) body styling later.
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Re: eye candy [eldaino] by k5ldb
Aug 21, 2007 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: eldaino (Aug 21, 2007 6:45 am)

I agree their stuff is top drawer. I just also agree if one was going to spend $7k on an Si it could be done in a way to create a killer Si. I was looking on H & A's website at their body kits. If it were me, I'm not sure I'd even put one on. I'd go for intake, exhaust, timing etc. along with lightweight wheels/tires and suspension and see how it played. It wouldn't have the look of the Mugen or the name but I bet it would beat it on the grin meter and have money left over too.
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Meh. by iomatic
Aug 21, 2007 (12:36 pm)
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For $7K, a CompTech Supercharger, cams, port-and-polish, header, exhaust --or Greddy Turbo, exhaust, etc.-- and suspension tire/wheel upgrades, you could create a monster that would start to destroy a lot of STIs and EVOs, for a lot less. And handle very well.
 
Though I'd probably just get an STI for that money.
 
Or vacation.
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Re: Meh. [iomatic] by eldaino
Aug 23, 2007 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: iomatic (Aug 21, 2007 12:36 pm)

ha ha! vacations are awesome.
 
this is the 30k civic i would buy:
 
1. completely different suspension set up, with more aggressive EVERYTHING.
 
2. specialy tuned engine pushing at least 220 hp like the jdm type r, or a detuned version of the k23 turbo in the rdx.(make it sh-awd to make it a rally car and its even more justified!)
 
3. nice, noticably bigger brakes.
 
4. a small lip kit, that is LIGHTER than the stock components, and lightweight wheels.
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De-badging by kork13
Sep 09, 2007 (10:13 pm)
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I just took off the 'CIVIC' badge from my Si's trunk, and it looks great. Took about 20 minutes to do it completely, but totally worth it. I hate it when people call it a civic... it's an SI!
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Re: De-badging [kork13] by eldaino
Sep 10, 2007 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: kork13 (Sep 09, 2007 10:13 pm)

it is an si, but that just means its a sports injected civic.
 
you can't tell people that you just drive a sports injected vehicle. its a sports injected civic.

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