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#1436 of 1505 ED in an era of high Euro vs. Dollar valuations... by shipo Mar 14, 2008 (7:14 am)
I'm posting this as a response to a question made in a different discussion (where I'll post a link to this thread).   My wife wants to A) have a family vacation to Europe this summer, and B) wants to do another European Delivery during said vacation, this time for a car for her. The question was raised that due to the current Euro/Dollar valuations, the incentive to buy a car via the ED program had all but evaporated. The following is a worksheet that I prepared for the car that currently at the top of her list:   Item ----------------------------------------- U.S. MSRP ------- ED Invoice 2008 BMW 328xi Sport Wagon ------ $36,100 ------------ $30,890 Destination --------------------------------------- $775 ----------------- $775 6-Speed Manual Transmission --------------- $0 -------------------- $0 Arctic Metallic Paint -------------------------- $475 ----------------- $430 Gray Leather Seats ------------------------------- $0 -------------------- $0 Premium Package -------------------------- $3,250 -------------- $2,960 Sport Package ------------------------------- $1,200 -------------- $1,090 Heated Seats ----------------------------------- $500 ----------------- $455 Park Distance Control ----------------------- $350 ----------------- $320 Xenon Headlights ------------------------------ $800 ----------------- $730 iPod Adaptor ------------------------------------ $400 ----------------- $365 HD Radio ----------------------------------------- $350 ----------------- $315 Logic 7 Premium Audio ------------------ $1,200 --------------- $1,090 Dealer Profit -------------------------------- Included --------------- $1,000 ============================================== Total: ------------------------------------------ $45,400 ------------- $40,420   Additionally, if you've been a BMW-CCA member for at least one year (and I have been), you take an additional $500 off of all 3-Series cars and $1,000 off of all 5-Series cars. Worst case here you can negotiate a deal that is nearly $5,000 below the U.S. MSRP. To be sure, many folks negotiate deals on domestically sourced cars, however, dealers who understand the ED process are typically open to even lower "above invoice" deals on ED cars. Why? Well, a couple of reasons actually.   1) ED cars are straight profit due to the fact that the dealership doesn't need to "finance" the car while it is on the dealership lot.   2) ED cars do NOT come out of their allocation of cars. Said another way, every ED car they sell is just one more sale above their yearly allocation of vehicles.   3) ED sales DO count toward the formula that determines allocations for future years.   Now, as for the actual costs associated with the delivery of an ED car, there are two schools of thought.   1) The "Blitz" trip. Schedule Friday off of work and fly to Munich on the Thursday evening flight (if you're on the left coast you'll need to take Thursday off as well and fly out Wednesday evening). Currently flights out of Boston are $1,122, $1,042 for New York, $1,242 from Washington DC, and $1,319 from Los Angeles. For East Coasters, you'll need Friday and Saturday night in a hotel, and for West Coasters, you'll need to add Thursday night as well, and Hotel rooms in Munich are plentiful in the $100 to $150 range. Transportation via the U-Bahn (subway) will cost between $5 and $10 for the whole trip. Full cost for the trip (less your U.S. airport transport costs) should range from $1,300 (from east coast) to a bit under $2,000 (from west coast). Total savings: $3,000 to $3,500 for the above car.   2) The "vacation" trip. Assuming that you're already going to go to Europe anyway, airfare to Munich is roughly on par with other destinations so that is usually a push as far as cost is concerned. Further assuming that you're going to rent a car, you'll find that for a car of any decent size that is capable of carrying more than one person and their luggage, the cost is at the very least $650 per week, and as such, car rental fees can be considered "additional savings". Total savings for the two week vacation that we're planning for next summer: $6,400 for the above car.   I hope this helps.   Best Regards, Shipo Replies to this message: blueguydotcom (Mar 14, 2008 7:32 am) shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:34 am) kyfdx (Mar 14, 2008 10:41 am) ruking1 (Mar 14, 2008 10:46 am) jb_shin (Mar 14, 2008 11:13 am) kenkdi87 (Apr 12, 2008 1:46 pm) shipo (Apr 12, 2008 2:03 pm) kenkdi87 (Apr 12, 2008 2:41 pm) and 1 more...
#1437 of 1505 Re: ED in an era of high Euro vs. Dollar valuations... [shipo] by blueguydotcom Mar 14, 2008 (7:32 am)
Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:14 am) A winter or spring vacation will net more savings in Europe, for sure. I stayed at the Marriott Munich (hotwire) for $50 a night. I can't find a hotel in the USA that nice for less than $150 a night. Not even close actually. Replies to this message: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:34 am)
#1438 of 1505 Re: ED in an era of high Euro vs. Dollar valuations... [blueguydotcom] by shipo Mar 14, 2008 (7:34 am)
Replying to: blueguydotcom (Mar 14, 2008 7:32 am) Good point, we did our first ED trip in April and it was both wonderful and inexpensive. We had a blast.   Best Regards, Shipo
#1439 of 1505 Re: ED in an era of high Euro vs. Dollar valuations... [shipo] by kyfdx HOST Mar 14, 2008 (10:41 am)
Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:14 am) ED is a great idea, but if your comparison is based on paying MSRP for the domestically delivered unit, then it is flawed on it's face... I'd say most people can negotiate 5% off MSRP without breaking a sweat... And.. if your dealer won't do that, he probaby isn't going to cut you a $1000-over-invoice deal on an ED, either..   I can buy the brand-new M3 that just came out this month for MSRP...   (well.. if I had the money.. )   regards, kyfdx Replies to this message: ruking1 (Mar 14, 2008 10:46 am) jb_shin (Mar 14, 2008 11:13 am)
#1440 of 1505 Re: ED in an era of high Euro vs. Dollar valuations... [kyfdx] by ruking1 Mar 14, 2008 (10:46 am)
Replying to: kyfdx (Mar 14, 2008 10:41 am) Yes that is true, there are a host of other things to consider, but for example on the M3, the local dealer would not come off MSRP, I found out in research, the yearly insurance premiums were way higher (2.5x) than the Z06 I eventually got. While this was model specific, the M3 engines that year were prone to grenading, and many (out of a very small M3 over all population) actually did. So I dodged at least 3 bullets- ah two bullets and one blast and shrapnel.   Having said that I was thinking seriously of doing it with/for a BMW 335 D twin turbo diesel 6 speed manual. Replies to this message: jb_shin (Mar 14, 2008 11:13 am)
#1441 of 1505 Re: ED in an era of high Euro vs. Dollar valuations... [ruking1] by jb_shin Mar 14, 2008 (11:13 am)
Replying to: ruking1 (Mar 14, 2008 10:46 am) Plus, M (I think I heard 6 and 1 as well) models DO come out of dealer allocation and there is no ED discount for M. So you will in fact pay more for the privilege if getting an M model via ED, much like what Porsche does.
#1442 of 1505 Gee.... by kyfdx HOST Mar 14, 2008 (11:18 am)
My post really wasn't about the "M" car..   My point was... I can negotiate a discount on a 328 wagon.... I wouldn't have to pay MSRP, like in the example... Replies to this message: ruking1 (Mar 14, 2008 11:41 am) shipo (Mar 14, 2008 11:41 am)
#1443 of 1505 Re: Gee.... [kyfdx] by ruking1 Mar 14, 2008 (11:41 am)
Replying to: kyfdx (Mar 14, 2008 11:18 am) Well all of us DID understand what you said. The response to my post was a demo that your line of thinking WAS understood.   So using the response, "IF" it is true, then getting an M over there would offer NO (dollard)advantage!? Some folks would buy an M anyway and oh by the way have something to drive around Europe) But an 3 series wagon- probably? BUT you need to negotiate the wagon here first, then compare prices with ED, THEN and RE negotiate the ED delivery? GEE tired already.
#1444 of 1505 Re: Gee.... [kyfdx] by shipo Mar 14, 2008 (11:41 am)
Replying to: kyfdx (Mar 14, 2008 11:18 am) I believe that I stated that one could in many cases negotiate down from from MSRP on a domestically produced car, that said, in my experience dealers are willing to make less profit on an ED car than they are for one of the cars out of their allocation. I've confirmed this fact at four different dealerships now (two in New Jersey and two here in New Hampshire).   Best Regards, Shipo
#1445 of 1505 True about MSRP by blueguydotcom Mar 14, 2008 (12:01 pm)
You can knock 2-3k off the msrp usually. But, here's the rub, can you drive your band new car in europe?   I saved over 5k on my last ED and then promptly spent a great portion of that saving zooming all over Europe. In my own car. It's fun to stay in Nice, France at a hotel right on the Riviera. It's even more fun when you just drove there in your brand new car - after spending hours ripping through the Alps and along the Mediterranean at 100+.   Worth every penny.

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