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Where Is Ford taking the Lincoln Motor Company?

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#4000 of 4163 Re: appearance 2 [toomanyfumes] by e_net_rider

Jan 29, 2013 (7:04 am)

Replying to: toomanyfumes (Jan 25, 2013 5:32 pm)
The LS is still a bit of a head turner. As to resemblance's, there are only so many ways you can build a vehicle without breaking the rules necessary for a quality vehicle. If oil prices go high and stay long enough to support major body changes, you will see everything go aerodynamic. As it is, prices shoot high and most people start dumping trucks/large SUV for small fuel efficient. Fuel prices drop and they get tired of riding in a sardine can, they start buying bigger vehicles. Because of lag to change production, about half the time it seems what is on the lot is out of sync with what buyer's want.
Even luxury cars are effected. Some buyer's can afford anything, including $10 gas, but that is a very limited market, and about half of them want to stay with the style. Hence such horrible creations as a Cadillac Cimaron (Chevy Citation) and a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada.
I personally look at TCO, total cost of ownership, when making a purchase. Insurance is one variable that should be looked at closely. Surprisingly, the insurance for a new 11 Lacrosse loaded was no more than what it was for an 09 Malibu LT2. I was told the main reason was safety. Yet I pay a little more for a year older 10 MKS, mostly base.
I certainly have not popped those chrome strips on the roof, but they do break the roof lines. Somehow GM found a way to get rid of those trim pieces on Lacrosse, maybe better welding. That narrow channel existed, but it's paint was a flawless as any smooth surface.

#4001 of 4163 ...a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada. by lemko

Jan 29, 2013 (11:01 am)

You mean the Versailles?
 

#4002 of 4163 Wow by gregg_vw

Feb 02, 2013 (12:31 pm)

Lincoln sold less than 4,200 cars in January. Even Volvo outsold Lincoln again.
 
Most dealers are still waiting for the "2013" MKZ. There is no rhyme or reason for not calling it a 2014, and skipping the 2013 model year...except it is too late to do that now. From here though, there is no way but up (or out).
 
And here comes an explanation from the Detroit News:
 
    "Lincoln sold 453 MKZs, down 73 percent compared to last January. Ken Czubay, Ford vice president, U.S. marketing, sales and service, said Ford is taking extra time to comb over all-new MKZ sedans, the first of four all-new products for Lincoln over the next four years. As a result, Lincoln will not have a full-stock of MKZ sedans until early April."
 
Just wow.
 

#4003 of 4163 Re: ...a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada. [lemko] by gregg_vw

Feb 02, 2013 (12:21 pm)

Replying to: lemko (Jan 29, 2013 11:01 am)
At least the Versailles got its own roof line after the first year or two.

#4004 of 4163 Re: ...a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada. [lemko] by nvbanker

Feb 03, 2013 (5:24 pm)

Replying to: lemko (Jan 29, 2013 11:01 am)
It was based on the Granada, which I believe was based on the Maverick frame, but it was luxurious and looked like a lincoln, at least in the front. I sort of liked 'em anyway.

#4005 of 4163 Re: ...a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada. [lemko] by andre1969

Feb 13, 2013 (8:18 am)

Replying to: lemko (Jan 29, 2013 11:01 am)
I think if we could somehow erase the Granada and Monarch from our collective memory, that Versailles would be much better remembered today. I think it's actually a nice looking car, especially in that color scheme. But, the second you park a Granada next to it, it's so blatantly obvious that they're the same car.
 
I feel the same way about the Zephyr, or Mark Z, or whatever they call it these days. It actually looks nice, but the second you see a Fusion, the magic is gone.
 
Oh, and I know this is gonna date me, but I caught a Lincoln commercial on tv last nite, one where a black early 90's Town Car is driving across the desert plain, gets hit with a cgi fireball, and emerges as some new Lincoln. I made a comment about how that's exactly what's wrong with Lincoln...the Town Car was actually nice and luxurious, while that new thing just doesn't look like a luxury car. Well, one of my friends said "That's because you're old!", and another one said "You like that Town Car because it looks like something out of the 70's!"
 
So, maybe I'm out of touch?

#4006 of 4163 Re: ...a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada. [andre1969] by nvbanker

Feb 13, 2013 (9:34 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 13, 2013 8:18 am)
And when you park a Cadillac SRX next to a Chevy Equinox, it is obvious they are the same under there. And when you park a number of Acuras next to the Hondas, you get the same feeling. And when you park an Escalade next to a Tahoe.....and on and on. But it seems only the Fords get that knock.

#4007 of 4163 Re: ...a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada. [nvbanker] by andre1969

Feb 13, 2013 (9:55 am)

Replying to: nvbanker (Feb 13, 2013 9:34 am)
Oh trust me, I'm not too fond of those badge-jobs, either. I was just pointing out Lincoln-specific examples since this is a Lincoln forum.
 
In defense of Lincoln though, I always thought they did a fairly good job with the Navigator. It doesn't come off nearly as badge-engineered, IMO, as the Escalade does. And even if I didn't know the SRX was based on the Equinox, I think I'd still have problems calling it a Caddy.

#4008 of 4163 Re: ...a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada. [andre1969] by nvbanker

Feb 13, 2013 (10:20 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 13, 2013 9:55 am)
That said, it's looking like the similarities are over in the new Lincolns. The new Z looks NOTHING like a Fusion, nor does it share an inch of sheet metal or glass with it. The S & T already are that way so the Z was the last one to get unique bodies. They are promising to keep that trend going. As for the Navigator, (I owned a 99 and an 03) I loved them until the 07 Remington shaver front end ensued. Never have warmed up to that, or the 62 F-150 instrument panel inside, and didn't buy one. They've been promising a new Navigator for years now, and it keeps getting set back so that the current model is old enough to vote now.

#4009 of 4163 Re: ...a Lincoln that was on a Ford Granada. [nvbanker] by akirby

Feb 13, 2013 (6:49 pm)

Replying to: nvbanker (Feb 13, 2013 10:20 am)
The new Navigator was waiting for the new F150 because it can't support a bespoke platform with current and future volumes. I expect it and the Expy to share the F150 platform and some engines but have a totally unique interior and exterior and drivetrains.
 
The MKZ doesn't have any new engines because they aren't ready yet.
 
BTW - Lincoln just took 3rd place behind Lexus and Porsche in the JD Power 2013 VDS. This measures problems with 2010 model year vehicles.

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