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Lincoln Zephyr, Lincoln MKS, Lincoln MKX
#3805 of 4409 Re: sales volume at the expense of quality and prestige [hpmctorque]
Nov 05, 2012 (7:22 am)
However, all Allen's comments about the LS plan being well-taken, its understated looks were actually not unattractive at the time and have aged well. The interior, however, was cheap looking. It certainly was less anonymous-to-forgettable than the initial MKS and MKZ designs. It easily looked at least as "exciting" as the Lexus ES of that time. It was a good first effort, deservedly winning car of the year in 2000.
The LS actually sold well initially, almost by itself in 2000 selling as many units as all of Lincoln does now. Sales remained above 30K until 2004, when after five years on the market, one would reasonably expect some significant updates. But inept executives did not see that level of sales as worthwhile maintaining an investment in (oh how things have changed). They could not figure out how to improve and update it for a reasonable cost, nor did they understand at the time how important it was to figure out some way to do so. Had Ford actually had a better idea for Jaguar than they did, both marques would have benefitted. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Twelve years later, and despite well-received rear drive concepts like the 2002 Continental and the later MKR, no suitable replacement is yet on the horizon. However, like Allen, I believe the current team really gets it now, and we will see a RWD Lincoln one day again.
Meanwhile, FWD/AWD architecture can and will be improved. Look at Audi for example. They have shown that there is no reason why the engine has to be installed in front of the front wheels as is done with most plebeian FWD vehicles. Even the 2014 Mazda6 has moved away from that "FWD look." Further, there is no reason why the AWD cannot be biased toward the rear. Better balance and handling are obvious results.
Plus, keeping some FWD-based AWD vehicles in a lineup is just good sense. Those who are used to driving in snow for months of the year often prefer them to the seldom used advantages that RWD provides a luxury car driver.
#3806 of 4409 Re: sales volume at the expense of quality and prestige [gregg_vw]
Nov 05, 2012 (7:36 am)
By 2004 the LS was already dead internally. Even at 50K units there simply wasn't a business case to be had to keep making it. And the interior was cheap - it was my least favorite part of the vehicle which is why i added a wood dash kit to part of mine which helped a little.
Had Mulally been in charge back then I think Lincoln would be entirely different today. But he wasn't and it isn't.
But I do see a light at the end of the tunnel and it isn't a train.
#3807 of 4409 Re: sales volume at the expense of quality and prestige [akirby]
Nov 05, 2012 (7:47 am)
Again, agree with all your points. I do want to add though that Lincoln's "business case" prowess has been off the beam for a long time. Business cases only work well when those who make them are not inept. The business case for every MK model so far has been of the garbage in garbage out variety. I trust that Mulally has stopped that nonsense.
#3808 of 4409 LSes on Craigslist
Nov 05, 2012 (8:09 pm)
All the posts about the Lincoln LS made me curious, so I checked Craigslist to see what they're going for. I was surprised by how low the asking prices are. Take a look, if you're curious, and let us know what you think
#3809 of 4409 Re: LSes on Craigslist [hpmctorque]
Nov 05, 2012 (8:22 pm)
They've been dirt cheap since they were discontinued. Great bargain if you don't mind replacing a few parts.
#3810 of 4409 Re: LSes on Craigslist [akirby]
Nov 06, 2012 (5:10 am)
What are the most vulnerable parts, and how expensive are they?
#3811 of 4409 Everything is being redone
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Nov 06, 2012 (5:19 am)
"The MKZ is the car that will set the tone for all cars to come," said Rich Kreder, vehicle integration manager.
The new MKZ should outsell the one it replaces, Sullivan said. The hard part is improving the dealer experience and the culture change to attract younger affluent buyers."
Lincoln to launch MKZ with a major marketing push next month (Detroit Free Press)
#3812 of 4409 Re: LSes on Craigslist [hpmctorque]
Nov 06, 2012 (5:46 am)
COPs (coil on plugs) and the hydraulic cooling fan (00-02 only) are expensive and/or difficult. Some trannys have to be rebuilt but that's not widespread.
Other common cheaper failures are window regulators and seat heater elements.
#3813 of 4409 Re: LSes on Craigslist [akirby]
Nov 06, 2012 (9:16 am)
Thanks. These potentially problematic items should be factored into the buying decision, but they don't seem like deal breakers, considering LS prices.
In terms of the car itself, the LS seems like a better car than the Cadillac Catera. Maybe much better.
#3814 of 4409 Re: LSes on Craigslist [hpmctorque]
Nov 06, 2012 (10:33 am)
Way better from a driving standpoint (and looks IMO). As long as you know what to expect you won't be disappointed.