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#3590 of 4409 Good news bad news
Jan 27, 2012 (1:21 pm)
On the heels of Ford's reported profitability for 2011 comes this article:
That sounds a bit like bad old habits.
As for Lincoln, light a fire under that new Lincoln team. While they are struggling to get the MKZ to market by November, Cadillac will have both the ATS (completely new rear drive model), and the XTS (roomier, more luxurious and better looking than its MKS rival) on sale before then. Maybe Lincoln should stop with the useless but still costly tweaks to the likes of the current MKS and MKT, and move full tilt into a complete lineup revamp. Too many eggs in one basket right now, I'd say. Those seven "new" models better not include the refreshed models coming.
#3591 of 4409 Re: Good news bad news [gregg_vw]
Jan 30, 2012 (1:38 pm)
Well, that's why I'm not in a Lincoln Sedan these days. However, I'm also not in a Cadillac either. Why? Lincoln's sedans are overpriced for what you're getting under the bonnet and frame. The interiors are very nice, but it's a Taurus under there pretty much. But Cadillac? Their "good" models, RWD, good handling, etc., are too SMALL!! The slightly larger, but not larger enough for me, the STS, is now gone anyway, and everyone I know who has one (and that ain't many, BTW), says they're not very reliable. Need a lot of repairs. I need a large Sedan, and their large Sedan has been, and continues to be FWD and floaty. No better than the Lincoln. I'd rather pay $20,000 more for a really good sedan (Lexus) than less, but still too much, for a Ford and a Chevy in evening wear......
#3592 of 4409 Re: Good news bad news [nvbanker]
Feb 01, 2012 (5:33 am)
I hear what you say about preferring a big car, but the days of long overhangs and useless sheet metal space are over. The XTS has the interior space of a large car, and interior volume is superior to MKS, especially in the rear seat area. Both ATS and XTS have standout quality interiors, and the floaty stuff is history. Cadillac has more models in the pipeline, and one is a redesign of the CTS which will make it larger than today's car.
Like it or not, the BMW 3 small-sized luxury car (Lexus IS, BMW 3, Mercedes C, Volvo S60, Acura TSX, Infiniti G, Caddy ATS) is now a staple, and Lincoln should have one too for those of us who enjoy a tossable car that has all the bells and whistles, plus most of the serenity of a larger car.
My hope is that Lincoln will start a push with their new team to bring some excitement back to their product line. The 13 MKZ looks like a good start, but it will be a lone model amongst the rest of the lineup, which are also-rans at this point. They totally screwed up when they designed the clean sheet MKT (beating a dead horse, but whoever approved this CUV that looks like a bloated station wagon?...Cadillac and Chrysler had already issued such models that did not sell well). The MKT concept was a looker, and very polarizing. The dumbed down MKT they brought to market has none of the same love it or despise it pizzazz.
Jim Farley would not have made the following statement if Ford was not concerned about how fast the crushed and bankrupt GM has bounced back: “F---- GM. I hate them and their company and what they stand for. And I hate the way they're succeeding."
It's dog eat dog out there, Farley. No rest for anyone, no matter how good your product, because EVERYONE now is bringing awesome cars to market, and doing it whenever they are ready, rather than at traditional times.
#3593 of 4409 Re: Good news bad news [gregg_vw]
Feb 09, 2012 (8:53 am)
Certainly agree with your comments on the MKT - that and the Flex to me are throwback Station Wagons. I rented a Flex for a week last year - it's competent enough, but reminds me of my Fairmont Station Wagon back in 2001 in a lot of ways. Not interested, and not interested in the one that costs $55,000!
Lincoln is still adrift to me. But, my friends who drive Caddys don't give them very good dependability reviews. That's a problem for me. Still prefer Lexus.
#3594 of 4409 Re: Good news bad news [nvbanker]
Feb 09, 2012 (2:43 pm)
Agreed. Before I bought my new Volvo in 2011, I decided to try a slightly used CTS in an effort to save some bucks. It did not sound or ride any longer like a luxury car should (and I know they are quiet when new), and additionally there were unexplained squeaks and creaks. I brought it back after a couple blocks, and said no thanks.
#3595 of 4409 New Ford Fusion models and new Lincoln MKZ models.
Feb 26, 2012 (10:55 am)
Could someone explain to me why the new Fusion and new MKZ share the same profile? I thought that Lincoln was suppose to have a completely different body style? It seems that the marketing people have their work cut out for them. I can't wait to read the excuses.
#3596 of 4409 Re: New Ford Fusion models and new Lincoln MKZ models. [edward53]
Feb 26, 2012 (4:20 pm)
Nobody said it would be a "completely different body style" - that isn't feasible when sharing a platform. The MKZ doesn't share any sheetmetal with the new Fusion. The MKZ concept is not the final production version - it was actually built after the production vehicle. I don't think the production version will be confused with a Fusion like the current model.
#3597 of 4409 Saw a documentary...
Feb 26, 2012 (10:57 pm)
...featuring JFK's home movies on the History Channel tonight. Seems he was a big fan of early 1960s Lincolns and Mercuries. Sadly, there is no more Mercury and today's Lincolns hardly have the allure of those classic early-mid 1960s Continentals.
#3598 of 4409 Re: Saw a documentary... [lemko]
Feb 28, 2012 (2:09 pm)
today's Lincolns hardly have the allure of those classic early-mid 1960s Continentals.
Nor, do the Cadillacs.....
#3599 of 4409 Re: New Ford Fusion models and new Lincoln MKZ models. [akirby]
Feb 29, 2012 (12:27 am)
You wrote that "nobody said that Lincoln was suppose to have a completely different body style from the Fusion because of platform sharing limitations on design and yet the MKZ does not share any sheet metal with the Fusion." How can it be both? Sounds like some marketing double talk. I seen the new 2013 Fusion with the 2013 MKZ side by side . These are going to be the production vehicles. Their profiles are very similar. There is a difference in the front and the rear but that is it. In fact , members of the automotive press were expecting something completely unique for Lincoln than what was showed.Everyone was led to believe that Lincoln's styling would be unique and original to Lincoln as was stated when Mullaly spoke at Chicago's Ford Torrence Ave plant in Chicago last year. And you are correct when you point out that because Lincolns will share Ford platforms, Lincoln cannot have a unique body style to call its own. I think even you now would admit that as long as Lincoln shares Ford platforms it can never be a premium brand.