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Lincoln Zephyr, Lincoln MKS, Lincoln MKX
#3006 of 4398 Re: MKS [fintail]
May 12, 2009 (6:07 pm)
I think engines are generally a Fomoco weak point and Lincoln, like all of domestic Ford have engines that are too noisey while they get middling performance despite mediocre fuel economy. Hopefully that is changing and the new models will actually get the improved EPA numbers on their stickers. I guess a loud engine reminds some of Harleys and old muscle cars, but nowadays it doesn't compare well with the quiet, smooth Honda and Toyota drivetrains that give decent driving and economy. For example, I haven't driven the new 2.5 4 cyl Fusion, but the 2.3 sounded like a tractor it was so harsh when accelerated while its fuel economy was noticeably behind Camcord. The V8 in a a Ford SUV is loud, sucks gas and is usually a weak performer. Now the reviews are saying the Mustang drivetrain pales against the new Camaro. But Mullaley hasn't been there that long, has a long list of problems to fix and limited funds. I'm hoping the 2010's are actually better and not just on paper.
May 13, 2009 (5:10 am)
All of those V8 qualities would require a new RWD platform - can't really be done on the current one.
In addition to the current engines, a new 5.0L V8 is on the way to replace both the 4.6L and 5.4L engines. Rumors are anywhere from 350 - 400 hp Naturally Aspirated depending on application (truck vs. car e.g.). And it will have best in class fuel economy - that's a new Ford mandate. Just look at the 2010 Fusion to see what Ford can do when it's focused (no pun intended). The problem in the past is that nobody ever made fuel economy a requirement across the board, so individual teams never made it a priority. Bill Ford was always more concerned with emissions, where Ford excelled but the customers didn't really care.
#3008 of 4398 Re: MKS [fintail]
May 13, 2009 (5:58 am)
The following is from Ford press material regarding the MKS twin-turbo sound:
The Lincoln MKS team also was careful to give customers an exhaust note from the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 that was pleasing but not overpowering. A precision-tuned induction sound tube directed into the cabin complements the feeling of power. It has the powerful sound Lincoln MKS customers will respond to.
Maybe they are not necessarily targeting the "typical" Lincoln buyer? I used to love the sound of a four barrel carb sucking air through a low restriction air cleaner. I also liked glass-pack mufflers. Times change....
#3009 of 4398 Re: MKS [fintail]
May 13, 2009 (7:28 am)
There was I believe an autoblog entry this year talking about how exhausts will so be able to be tuned to sound like anything. It is apparently no longer any significant engineering problem to get a V8 burble out of a V6. However, I think this technology is just in time to arrive when very few people care about that anymore.
#3010 of 4398 Re: MKS [brucelinc]
May 13, 2009 (11:03 am)
I think some of you guys are a little to hard on Lincoln - especially the MKS.
Maybe so. I actually see the MKS for what it is - a bit of a breakthrough in the aspect of being a different car than any Ford on the market (despite the platform, which EVERYBODY does, so it's no matter to me). But the interior, exterior and amenities are unique from anything else Ford offers, and I appreciate that. Still think it should be called Continental, but I guess I've lost that battle and nobody at Ford cares that none of us like the Emm Kay designations. I wish the car were different in some ways, but overall, it's a great "Continental"..... When the Town Car is revamped, hopefully, it will encompass the RWD, size and motor choices we are all clammering for, and HOPEFULLY, they'll still call it a Town Car, not an EmmKayArr.....
#3011 of 4398 Re: MKS [nvbanker]
May 13, 2009 (11:07 am)
Heck, I hate the Cadillac CTS, STS, and DTS names. I'd rather see the classic DeVille, Seville, Fleetwood names. I love the long drawn out names like Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance!
May 13, 2009 (12:25 pm)
For once I will agree with you absolutely...bring back Sedan DeVille, Coupe DeVille, etc...if not for me, at least for lemko, the last man standing to buy a new Caddy...
#3013 of 4398 the new names...
May 14, 2009 (7:29 am)
Just my own personal opinion, I think it's an excellent idea that Lincoln started with the new names for their new cars. They needed to get rid of that American junker's image and move on, get new life. Two thumbs up!
#3014 of 4398 Re: the new names... [alman08]
May 14, 2009 (8:15 am)
American junker image? Those were the cars I drove and loved! Renaming everything with Emm Kays, and making rebadged Fords is what went WRONG with Lincoln, IMO...... I think they need to get back to when a Continental, Town Car and Mark were unique cars to Lincoln, not Mazda 6 inspired crossovers and the like......
#3015 of 4398 Re: the new names... [nvbanker]
May 14, 2009 (3:57 pm)
you're entitled to your opinion just as everyone else does on here.
I will stick to what I said and I will add this... I like how the new Ford management is handling things now.