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Where Is Ford taking Lincoln?

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Re: Wher Ford IS Taking Lincoln [akirby] by jae5
Aug 14, 2009 (4:31 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Aug 13, 2009 1:00 pm)

Not really - I figure my personal sample size is probably a thousand give or take, I know and talk to a quite a bit of people about cars, trucks and UVs. And this does not include the responses back from surveys my company has sent out, I mean, we do supply components to the industry, as well as heavy truck; some do drive UVs and the like. Should I email this list of people I know, have met and continue to meet (may take a little bit but is doable)?
 
May I ask how many have you sampled in that time frame?
 
And no, just not talking about the blingy-bling. And to repeat yet again, which by the way is kind of a grind, just because you and your wife got your Nav due to it's size, ability to swallow large loads or number of people and actually used it's size and ability doesn't mean everyone else who bought one, or a vehicle like it, did so for the same. Myself and others here are telling you that's simply not true, and as usual, you got your britches in a bunch because people disagreed. And in terms of an "it" vehicle, isn't the CUV the "it" vehicle now, just as the full-size trucks / SUVs were (as well as the extra-large versions), just as the Explorer-size SUVs were, the minivans before that, the station wagons before that... and other vehicles in other classes? Each class of vehicle has / had an "it" vehicle, a vehicle folks wanted that may have met all their needs, some of their needs, maybe none of their needs, but that vehicle was the thing to have at the time. And sorry again, was just trying to keep it Lincoln, you know, stay with the theme of the topic, but you brought up Expedition (which the Nav is) and Suburban / Tahoe in a previous response so I included all as well.
 
In terms of giving you approval, I really could give a fu-man-chu what you like, buy, drive, rent, whatever. As long as you're happy with your purchase I'm ecstatic - I'm not making your payment nor loaning you the money to buy it, why should I care or give approval?
 
You're trying to accuse me of making assumptions, which in the end is something you're doing. Usually the back and forth discussions are pretty good but this has gotten to be really boring and way off-topic of the forum - you can respond if you like but I'm moving on. Happy hunting
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Re: Wher Ford IS Taking Lincoln [jae5] by akirby
Aug 14, 2009 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: jae5 (Aug 14, 2009 4:31 am)

I'm not the one making derogatory assertions about other people's motivations and intentions.
 
George Carlin said "Anyone who drives slower than me is an idiot. Anyone who drives faster than me is a maniac." I think the same analogy applies here.
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Re: Wher Ford IS Taking Lincoln [akirby] by marsha7
Aug 14, 2009 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Aug 14, 2009 6:07 am)

Except that I think Carlin used terms a little more colorful than "idiot" and "maniac"...
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Re: Wher Ford IS Taking Lincoln [marsha7] by akirby
Aug 14, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Aug 14, 2009 7:18 am)

I'm pretty sure those were the words he used - I think he just added some adjectives in front of them.......
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It's Clear. . . by cdnpinhead
Aug 14, 2009 (2:27 pm)
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that the old "I Hate SUVs - What's Your Excuse" (or some such) board is still alive in the hearts of many. It got pretty lively too.
 
There are those who need enclosed trucks and those who want to drive the trendy vehicle of the day -- I'd go with about a 1 to 5 ratio.
 
Station wagons came and went, minivans came and went, SUVs came and it looks like they might have, well, gone.
 
Time will tell.
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Re: It's Clear. . . [cdnpinhead] by marsha7
Aug 15, 2009 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Aug 14, 2009 2:27 pm)

So, the question remains...what do folks in the future use to transport familes with 3 children, or 1 child plus 2 in-laws, Fido, and luggage for 5(assuming Mom & Dad occupy the front seats)...the 60s had station wagons, SUVs and minivans are dead...do they use Mini-Coopers with U-Haul trailers behind them???...are the trailers equipped with heat and A/C???
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Re: It's Clear. . . [marsha7] by cdnpinhead
Aug 15, 2009 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Aug 15, 2009 12:20 pm)

I think the full-size SUV will stick around, much as it did before it became trendy. The Chev Suburban was called a Mormon Cadillac in my part of the world for 40 years for a reason -- at one time it was the only thing that made sense if there were six kids in the family.
 
That 5:1 ratio I referred to earlier means that ~85% of the market may well go away, but the folks who always needed them will probably still be able to get them. Minivans are still available, and God knows they were never trendy & have been shunned by a large fraction of the auto-buying public for the past 10-15 years -- I think they were okay for the first few years before they developed the dreaded "suburban drone" image. Station wagons too, but to a lesser extent -- in Europe they're all over the place.
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Re: It's Clear. . . [cdnpinhead] by marsha7
Aug 15, 2009 (4:56 pm)
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Aug 15, 2009 1:24 pm)

Allow me to followup...if 85% of the market goes away, then everyone else is fighting over 15% of the market...is there enough demand to keep making them, esp when gas gets back to $4.00 a gallon???
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Re: It's Clear. . . [marsha7] by akirby
Aug 17, 2009 (7:46 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Aug 15, 2009 4:56 pm)

Sure, but there won't be enough volume to justify a dedicated or one-off platform like the current Expedition. It will most certainly end up being a virtual F150 super crew clone with an enclosed rear and 3rd row seats. Front end, interior and powertrains will all be shared. This will make them viable even at low volumes.

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