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#49 of 78 Suzuki..... by harrychezt

Feb 21, 2006 (6:17 pm)

yeah, they are ok, and in fact, they are about the only company making some money for GM right now, besides GM-DAT, of course, and Suzuki has a part ownership in that.
 
Suzuki has been here since 1985, and they hit their highest sales numbers ever, over 84,000(?) saels, and they said that was good. If they have not "failed" with lower numbers over 20 years, and doing well overseas, maybe USA sales are "just gravy", then, for them, otherwise, they would have went the way of Diahatsu,Renault, and others, that were once in USA.
 
who knows? they may even break that illusive 100,000 units sales.
 
Anyhow, they are ok, but their dealerships are awful
 
I like the eclipse. That is all.
 I read a rumor that a Chinese maker was looking at buying into(or all?) of Mitsubishi.
Just think, a 25K eclipse(now) could be 18K! How many 263HP V6's, 0-60 of 5.5 seconds, 18K msrp, would fly off of the lots? Even at 20K.
 
At that price ya could afford the gas/26MPG only for the V6.
 
I do not know, though. If they went an sold only specialty cars, liek the Eclipse, the Lancer EVO, and that electric hyrbid stuff for a car or two....they have a slight chance.
 
As one person here siad, if they try to be a regular dealer, they could fail.
 
Subaru used to have the AWD cars market almost completly to themselves. Not any more.
And they are overpriced.
If they fold, I won't lose sleep.
 
Isuzu? Tey were big in 1988.
I had an isuzu _iMark, that was rebadged as a Chevy Spectrum. Good for about 14 months. Nice car. After that....forget it.
 
They should have folded years ago. they tried a 10/120K warranty, and it failed. They now has 7/75K?
What's that about?
They should have left years ago.
 
Maybe Mitsu should just sell a 3 and 5 door(stretched) version of Eclipse, and lancers?
Sell them 2-3K less(for Eclipse) than now. Do like Suzuki. Can survive on 75,000+ units sold per year, or else.

#50 of 78 Re: Toyota [bumpy] by rockylee

Feb 21, 2006 (7:54 pm)

Replying to: bumpy (Feb 21, 2006 12:49 pm)
Mitsubishi is the tricky question: if they can successfully establish themselves as the straight-electric/performance-hybrid marque, they may survive. If they try to continue as a "regular" automaker, their days are numbered.
 
Bumpy isn't Mitsubishi getting Japanese government help to stay afloat ????
 
Rocky

#51 of 78 Subaru & BMW? by prosa

Feb 21, 2006 (8:46 pm)

It's strange, but I can see Subaru and BMW doing very well together in some sort of partnership.

#52 of 78 Re: Subaru & BMW? [prosa] by stevekilburn

Feb 24, 2006 (4:03 am)

Replying to: prosa (Feb 21, 2006 8:46 pm)
Actually BMW and Honda would be a better prospect. Besides this discussion is about merger of
 
(Subaru + Mitsu + Isuzu + Suzuki) = Single company.

#53 of 78 Re: Toyota [rockylee] by stevekilburn

Feb 24, 2006 (4:04 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Feb 21, 2006 7:54 pm)
I dont think they need govt help. The combined Japanese company of small 4 can borrow money from independent financial institutions

#54 of 78 combined small company can better challenge toyota and Nissan by stevekilburn

Feb 24, 2006 (4:07 am)

Replying to: harrychezt (Feb 21, 2006 6:17 pm)
I dont think they should aim low. All four should aim at at least 1-2% of market share in US so they compete with other big asian players like Toyota and to some extent Hyundai.

#55 of 78 debt restructuring and legal fees by stevekilburn

Feb 24, 2006 (4:11 am)

Replying to: logic1 (Feb 21, 2006 3:56 pm)
I dont think it will be billions in legal fees. That would be a world record.
 
It could be a few millions. Which is affordable.
 
Every troubled automaker does debt consolidation. So I dont see that as a problem.
 
I think they just have to put their mind to it and just do it. They have to be a little bold like us Americans and go with the idea with strong passion.

#56 of 78 Re: Not just pooling resources.... [varmint] by stevekilburn

Feb 24, 2006 (4:14 am)

Replying to: varmint (Feb 21, 2006 7:15 am)
Cash is never a problem. The financial markets are awash with dollars. They can just borrow whatever is necessary and then get the ball rolling.
 
And hire a good manager who can manage the merged small-4 with vision and energy.

#57 of 78 good products, fling and marriage by stevekilburn

Feb 24, 2006 (4:19 am)

Replying to: socala4 (Feb 21, 2006 7:18 am)
I think marriage is the best way. It will provide stability in the long term. The merged-4 should focus on a product led recovery. Product is always what have to focus on
 
The costs of closing plants, redesigning etc etc are just part of the process to fix the problem. So what you are stating as problems in the way of merger are actually exactly the things they will do after merger which will be good.

#58 of 78 Re: Toyota [rockylee] by bumpy

Feb 24, 2006 (6:48 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Feb 21, 2006 7:54 pm)
isn't Mitsubishi getting Japanese government help to stay afloat ????
 
Sorta. They've had a series of cushy loans from various Japanese banks, which in that economy constitutes thirdhand government assistance. Even so, that's not going to save Mitsubishi's export markets by itself, and they're not a big enough player at home to survive in the same shape without them for long.

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