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#31 of 1971
Tax Credit. by giraldo
Apr 05, 2006 (5:55 pm)
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Does anyone have an estimate of when the tax credit is going to end? I'm saving up money, but i know that 3,000 is going to help a lot. anyways, i'm a college student and do not make a lot of money, do i still get 3,000 from the gov't, or do i only get a prorated amount.
#32 of 1971
Re: Tax Credit. [giraldo] by JBaumgart
Apr 05, 2006 (7:57 pm)
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Replying to: giraldo (Apr 05, 2006 5:55 pm)

Assuming you will not be affected by the Alternative Minimum Tax, you will get a tax credit of approximately $3,000 off of your 2006 taxes owed. So you would have to owe at least this amount to get the full credit. The best estimate as to when the full credit will expire for Toyota vehicles is 9/30/06, so you would have to take delivery before then.
#33 of 1971
Re: Tax Credit. [JBaumgart] by jrct9454
Apr 07, 2006 (4:48 am)
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Apr 05, 2006 7:57 pm)

This is right on: credit should be good for Toyota at least through the 3rd quarter, but it cannot reduce your tax below zero. You have to have a tax liability of at least $3000 for you to reap the full benefit, and it sounds like this isn't going to fit the situation of someone with a limited income. [It's not like some other credits, where the IRS will send you money, even if your tax liability under the law is zero....and you have to take the car credit AFTER all other applicable credits.]
#34 of 1971
Below MSRP??? by cooljw
Apr 17, 2006 (12:17 pm)
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It's good to hear that Prius are going for less than MSRP in certain parts of the country - seems like this has just started happening in the past few months.
 
I'm in SoCal, and unfortunately I haven't heard any stories of below-MSRP pricing here. Not sure why Prius demand is still so good here, must be the $3/gallon regular gas.
 
Btw, for those of you new to Prius shopping, don't pay more than MSRP! You're a fool if you do.
#35 of 1971
Did I get a good price??? by theking
Apr 21, 2006 (4:11 am)
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Just bought 2006 pack 3 Prius in New Hampshire...I was given Full Kelly Blue Book (excellent condition) for my trade...Car itself was at MSRP with $95 doc fee..and I received a Lojack retrival and alarm for $450.....please comment !!!!
#36 of 1971
Re: Tax Credit. [jrct9454] by arisso
Apr 22, 2006 (9:01 pm)
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Replying to: jrct9454 (Apr 07, 2006 4:48 am)

Let me understand your point. You are saying that I can only get a credit of $3150 (for the Prius) if I owe money to the IRS for 2006 ? What happen if I have a tax credit instead (home mortgage for example) ?
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Re: Tax Credit. [arisso] by jrct9454
Apr 23, 2006 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: arisso (Apr 22, 2006 9:01 pm)

This is hard to explain in this medium, because people often misuse terms in talking about taxes. Let me try:
 
In the end, after ALL of your other deductions and credits, your tax liability must be over $3k for you to enjoy the full benefit of the hybrid car credit. It is the last credit you can apply, and it cannot reduce your taxes below zero - unlike the earned income credit, for example, or other credits that result in you getting money from the IRS even after you owe them nothing.
 
To take a personal example, I estimate our 2006 taxes to be about $4500 after all deductions and other credits; thus, in our case, the credit reduces our tax to about $1500. But if our tax had only been, say, $2500, we would have a tax of zero, but it also means we would have "forfeited" part of the credit.
 
First calculate your taxes under the current rules, with all deductions and credits - then you get to take the hybrid credit, down to but not below, a zero tax liability.
 
And for the record, home mortgage interest is a deduction, not a credit. Deductions reduce your taxable income; credits reduce your tax liability after all your deductions are taken, and your "base tax" is calculated. This is an example of why this is not an easy discussion in this forum.
#38 of 1971
Re: Tax Credit. [jrct9454] by cruising7388
Apr 23, 2006 (5:33 pm)
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Replying to: jrct9454 (Apr 23, 2006 4:58 am)

Do you happen to know if the IRS regs restrict the tax credit to one vehicle on a single or joint tax return? Suppose you buy two new Prius(s). Assuming you have a tax liability in excess of $6300, would you receive a $6300
credit or just a $3150 credit?
#39 of 1971
Re: Tax Credit. [cruising7388] by jrct9454
Apr 24, 2006 (5:12 am)
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Replying to: cruising7388 (Apr 23, 2006 5:33 pm)

The draft version of the form shows room for multiple credit claims - as far as I can tell, there are no restrictions on how many credits you can apply, as long as it doesn't reduce your tax below zero, and as long as AMT doesn't apply [another big caveat].
 
Form 8910 at the IRS website....noteably without instructions at this point, as they are still working on the details.
#40 of 1971
Re: Tax Credit. [jrct9454] by cybernut04
Apr 24, 2006 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: jrct9454 (Apr 23, 2006 4:58 am)

Can we take this one step further? I think part of the confusion - at least on my part - is the difference between tax liability and, when all is said and done, how much you owe Uncle Sam vs. how much you get back.
 
"To take a personal example, I estimate our 2006 taxes to be about $4500 after all deductions and other credits; thus, in our case, the credit reduces our tax to about $1500. But if our tax had only been, say, $2500, we would have a tax of zero, but it also means we would have "forfeited" part of the credit."
 
So your tax liability is $4500, the tax credit lowers that liability to $1500 ... and at that point, you factor in what you have paid in taxes over the year, right? If your tax liability without the Prius tax credit was $4500, and you had $4000 withheld during the year for federal taxes, then without the Prius tax credit you would have to pay Uncle Sam $500 ($4500-$4000=$500). But with the tax credit, the calculation is $4500-$3000=$1500 ; $4000-$1500= a tax refund of $2500.
 
Is that right? It's not a matter of the bottom line - what you owe or what you get back - it's that your total tax liability, before you factor in what you have already paid in taxes, must be equal to or greater than the Prius tax credit to get the full amount of that tax credit ... right?

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