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#1584 of 1971
Re: Why Prius??? [jaxs1] by carnaught
Jun 08, 2008 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Jun 08, 2008 7:38 am)

There is no reason for the lithium battery to do anything to hurt resale of the current Prius
 
Potentially, sure it would, just as newer computers do to older ones. Improved battery technology would mean better battery life, lower weight and smaller size.
#1585 of 1971
Re: Why Prius??? [jaxs1] by bob104
Jun 08, 2008 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Jun 08, 2008 7:38 am)

I went to a fantastic renewable energy conference at UCBerkeley, March 1-2. I spoke with the lithium battery researcher, Venkat Srivassen, at length after his presentation. Currently, lithium batteries in quantity cost about $500/kWh. One kWh would take a PHEV Prius about 3 miles. For a PHEV Prius with a 40 mile electric-only range the batteries would cost about $7500. He said to expect steady, but not particularly fast improvement in lithium batteries.
   The big elephant in the room is that battery expenditure for PHEVs might be in the range of 12-14 cents per mile, plus about 3-5 cents or more/kwh for the electricity, for a total of 15-20 cents/mile. That equates to gasoline at $6.60-$8.80. Hard to imagine that used 44 mpg Priuses will be even moderately depreciated even if gasoline over $10/gallon and PHEVs getting 70mpg-equivalent and costing under $40,000 were available. They'll be like used Civics and Corollas are today--still highly desirable and pricey.
 
Back on topic, I paid $1100 for a platinum 6yr/100k warranty with my Prius in Oct. You might find one online for a little less but I sure feel better about getting my warranty at the point of sale, bricks and mortar.
#1586 of 1971
Re: 08regularPrius#6 [gtguy1] by sewkap
Jun 08, 2008 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: gtguy1 (Jun 07, 2008 5:41 pm)

Where or how do you locate the Internet Fleet managers?
#1587 of 1971
Re: Why Prius??? [carnaught] by jaxs1
Jun 08, 2008 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: carnaught (Jun 08, 2008 9:22 am)

A car is not like a computer that's about useless to may people after 6 years.. It's not as if the values of the first generation Prius have dropped for any reason other than pure age and high mileage they may have at this point.
 
The resale will remain high for as long as there a is low supply of the Prius on the used car market.
#1588 of 1971
Re: Prius delivered in DC area [medolas] by 3c3
Jun 08, 2008 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: medolas (Jun 08, 2008 5:07 am)

"Extended Warranty (7/750000) - 1845" is way too expensive. Cancel it and get it through priuschat.com for much less.
#1589 of 1971
Re: Why Prius??? [jaxs1] by djhalptert
Jun 08, 2008 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Jun 08, 2008 10:26 am)

I think he was referring to what the earlier poster had said that the Prius would be as obsolete as an old computer processor is to a newer one when the electric and other NEWER hybrid vehicles come out. The current Prius gas/electric hybrid technology will NOT stand the test of time. No technology does. Mankind always finds a more efficient/better way of doing things. Up til now, the most efficient way was with gasoline because it was cheap and readily available. In 5 years the new hybrid technology will be taking it's hold as the newest, most efficient way of doing things.
 
You are saying that there won't be current generation Prius' flooding the used car market in the near future??? I don't see how there wouldn't be. As soon as the new hybrid vehicles come out, people will be ditching their Prius' just like they ditched their 1st generation iPhones for the 2nd generation iPhone and iPods for iPod Touch. Ever hear of keeping up with the Jones???
#1590 of 1971
Re: Why Prius??? [djhalptert] by jaxs1
Jun 08, 2008 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: djhalptert (Jun 08, 2008 6:02 pm)

I didn't even like the Prius enough to buy one and I know it will not be "obsolete" or comparable to an old PC when the 2010 Prius debuts. The resale value will remain good for as long as there is low supply and high fuel prices and few used alternatives that get the same or better gas mileage.
There is little demand for used PCs and there is plenty of demand for used vehicles with high MPG which will include used Prius cars even without having the newer battery from the upcoming redesign.
It was a ridiculous comparison. A car is not an iPod that is thrown away every other year. eBay is flooded with more used iPods than the market can bear and the same is not true with the Prius. Are used 2003 first generation Prius sedans overflowing used car lots?
 
At some point in the future there will be plenty of used cars that average 45 mpg plus on the used car market, but that is many years away. The used car market will quickly soak up the used Priuses that are replaced with new ones unless there is a major drop in gas prices.
#1591 of 1971
Re: Why Prius??? [jaxs1] by djhalptert
Jun 08, 2008 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Jun 08, 2008 6:15 pm)

Do you have a learning disability? First of all, I said THE GUY WASN'T COMPARING IT TO A COMPUTER'S RESALE VALUE. Rather, he was saying when the Core2 Duo came out it still made the Pentium 4 just as obsolete as the Pentium 3, Pentium 2 etc etc. When an all electric or hydrogen fuel cell hybrid car is introduced which is cheap and well marketed, it WILL make the current Prius a dinosaur. Does that mean the Prius will be worth the price of Enron stock? NO!!! Will it make current Prius owners jump ship to new technology? Probably some. If the current models of Prius flood the used car market, it will make their value decrease. Supply and demand, ever heard of it?
 
Yes, there will still be demand for the Prius but there will be MORE DEMAND FOR THE NEWER TECHNOLOGY. Anyone who thinks the current 2008-09 Prius will out demand ANY future hydrogen or electric or even gas/electric hybrid is just plain ignorant. People want new technology. That's the reason so many Prius's have sold. New technology attracts buyers. Necessity is the mother of invention. Invention is the mother of sales.
#1592 of 1971
Re: Why Prius??? [jaxs1] by djhalptert
Jun 08, 2008 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Jun 08, 2008 6:15 pm)

YOU ASKED, ARE USED FIRST GENERATION PRIUS FLOODING THE USED CAR MARKET?
 
Hmmmm....no...I wonder why? Ever hear of Wikipedia???
 
Toyota announced on June 7, 2007 that it had sold 1 million hybrid vehicles globally, nearly 345,000 of the first 1 million hybrid cars made by Toyota were sold in Japan.
 
U.S. sales of the Prius began in August 2000. By 2001 sales there totaled 15,556, and by 2002 had reached 20,119. In 2004 sales there were 53,991.
 
ACCORDING TO A 2004 SALES REPORT, THERE WEREN'T EVEN A COMBINED TOTAL OF 54,000 PRIUS SOLD IN THE U.S.
#1593 of 1971
Re: Why Prius??? [djhalptert] by jaxs1
Jun 08, 2008 (8:37 pm)
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Replying to: djhalptert (Jun 08, 2008 6:31 pm)

You don't seem to understand the the demand will remain very high for vehicles that get 45 mpg regardless of any new redesigned model when fuel prices are high.
Even the previously nearly worthless older Geo Metros are in demand now and values have skyrocketed.
 
Mass market hydrogen and fuel cell vehicles in the price range of the Prius are a long way away.
With the economy the way it is I bet there will not be a mass exodus of current generation Prius owners replacing their cars with the new model with the same flippant whim they would dump last year's hand held electronic gadget. Some people will still trade for the new model, but not the high percentage that would if the economy was booming
The added demand caused by the very high fuel prices is going to support the values of high mpg vehicles more than what's historically typical when car models have been replaced in the past when gas was cheap.

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