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Honda Civic vs. Toyota Corolla vs. Mazda3

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What is this discussion about? Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan

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#41 of 879 Re: Here are a few more ... [mdaffron] by chidoro

Aug 03, 2005 (6:04 am)

Replying to: mdaffron (Aug 03, 2005 5:04 am)
I actually like it quite a bit and I am sure I am not alone. To each his/her own I guess.
 
The civic EX has everything my car has + the sunroof for $18k+. Also, there are almost never rebates for hondas.
 
Honda provides factory to dealer incentives instead of rebates. Carsdirect had a 2005 EX w/ auto and side airbags for $17,075. They are going to be pushing out the '05s pretty hard to make room for the '06s so I'm not sure why you would anticipate a $18k+ price. Just some food for thought.

#42 of 879 Civic by z71bill

Aug 03, 2005 (6:36 am)

The coupe looks a little like a cross between the Acura RSX and the Scion TC - I like the looks of both - but its hard to tell by a spy photo - I am sure many Civic owners will say the current car looks better - but others will love it.
 
 Just like the Mazda3 when it first came out. I can recall Protegee owners saying how much better their "PRO" was than the new Mazda.
 
I wonder what HP the smaller engine will have - I am pretty sure the 200 HP will only come with a manual tranny.

#43 of 879 Civic 2006/2007 ... [chidoro] by autonomous

Aug 03, 2005 (6:39 am)

Replying to: chidoro (Aug 03, 2005 6:04 am)
I actually like it quite a bit and I am sure I am not alone.
 
I agree. This is going to be quite a contender with its multiple models (hybrid, regular, SI coupe, CRX!), Honda history of reliability, and costing structure (any know what the prices will be?). A host of wannabe Acura Integra RSX type S drivers will certainly take notice of this line-up.
 
Mazda (and others) will need to stay on their toes and keep on innovating; that's good news for all us drivers!

#44 of 879 Re: Civic 2006/2007 ... [autonomous] by mdaffron

Aug 03, 2005 (7:15 am)

Replying to: autonomous (Aug 03, 2005 6:39 am)
This is going to be quite a contender with its ... history of reliability
 
Well, there doesn't seem to be much difference anymore:
 
http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/08/pf/autos/cr_auto_reliability/
 
Meade

#45 of 879 Re: Here are a few more ... [mdaffron] by smaria

Aug 03, 2005 (7:44 am)

Replying to: mdaffron (Aug 03, 2005 5:04 am)
I agree...I hate the pictures I've seen of the new Civic. Glad I've got an '02 model
 
Some people will love the looks of the new Civic while others will hate it, because "style" is of course a subjective thing.

#46 of 879 Re: Civic 2006/2007 ... [mdaffron] by autonomous

Aug 03, 2005 (10:36 am)

Replying to: mdaffron (Aug 03, 2005 7:15 am)
You're right, Meade, the Mazda3 is one of the most reliable vehicles.
 
What Toyota and Honda have going for them is a brand name that is synonymous with reliability for many consumers . Unfortunately, Mazda has some work to do in that department, especially with its Mazda6. Rebuilding a reputation is more difficult than building one as Hyundai knows.
 
Of the 32 car models with the highest reliability ratings, 29 were from Japan-based manufacturers. Toyota, with 16, and Honda, with 7, had the most vehicles with top reliability ratings.

#47 of 879 Just to keep that "legendary Honda reliability" in check ... by mdaffron

Aug 03, 2005 (11:23 am)

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050803/honda_recall.html?.v=1
 
Meade

#48 of 879 The right type of recall by autonomous

Aug 03, 2005 (12:38 pm)

Replying to: mdaffron (Aug 03, 2005 11:23 am)
This type of recall is actually good news in my books, Meade. Rather than wait for the problem to escalate or force owners to discover it down the road, Honda did the right thing with its "voluntary" recall. The problem, in this case, seems insignificant (i.e. a poorly sealed sensor triggers a warning light) but as the spokesperson notes, safety is paramount.
 
Sara Pines, a Honda spokeswoman, said there have been no reports of the frontal air bags improperly deploying or failing to deploy and there have been no injuries associated with the sensors. Anything that's related to safety is important to us. We feel that the best thing to do is simply to have this voluntary recall," Pines said. ... Owners will be notified ... and dealers will replace the sensors at no additional cost to the consumers."
 
No one is perfect and exaggerated claims about reliability eventually backfire. On the other hand, a manufacturer should admit to defects, especially when safety is at issue, and act expeditiously to correct them. Honda may not be perfect but they are right. Then again, I wouldn't want Honda to be right too often.

#50 of 879 Re: The right type of recall [autonomous] by mdaffron

Aug 04, 2005 (5:32 am)

Replying to: autonomous (Aug 03, 2005 12:38 pm)
The problem, in this case, seems insignificant (i.e. a poorly sealed sensor triggers a warning light)
 
I see you too believed Honda's "kinder, gentler" version of its recall notice, and actually took their word that the sensor only controls an idiot light.
 
You were unknowingly sucked in by Honda's sweet, reassuring language (here's a quote): "The Honda Motor Co. will recall thousands of its Odyssey minivans amid concerns that potentially faulty sensors for the frontal air bag system could make a warning lamp on the instrument panel remain illuminated, the company said Wednesday."
 
Now read the way NHTSA worded it:
 
http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/08/03/bc.autos.honda.recall.reut/index.html?section=cnn_late- - - -
 
I agree with you wholeheartedly about reliability and recalls. But until recently, Honda wasn't known for recalling its vehicles -- recently it seems they've had a slew of them. And I'm not a big fan of Honda downplaying the severity of the recall in this case. Some may read Honda's version of the notice and say, "Well, it's just a light. I'll get it done whenever," not knowing that their air bags could fail in a frontal collision.
 
Meade

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